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[irie]

We have spent centuries dividing Church and state thereby asserting the primacy of secular law as the foundation of our democracy.

The central tenet of Islam is the primacy of religious law over secular law.

Therein lies the irreconcilable conflict between the teachings of Islam and the central foundation of our democracy.

Millions in the Islamic world do not believe in free speech, freedom of religion, democracy, a secular state, free enterprise, and human rights, but these are precisely the principles which are the basic foundations of our Western Democracies.

I would agree that most of the religious leaders of Islam do not agree with most of our freedoms. Some of our Christian religious leaders don't either.

That does not mean that your average punter, Chtistian, Moslem, or any other flavour, wants to be ruled by a theocracy, even one of his choice. Most want to get on with their life, without god-botherers interfering.

The minority that does want to live under a theocracy should not be tolerated in any way. If they will not comply with our laws they must find somewhere where there is a theocracy they will be happy to live under.

We should absolutely not change any of our laws to encompass any of their religious based demands.

[Taipan]

I'm genuinely happy today to hold my hand up and say I was wrong, some of us do have the integrity to do it.

I expected a lot more trouble with 300k people on a protest march, but it appears that the vast majority were well behaved and the police did an excellent job of keeping any agitators (especially from Tommy Robinsons mob) away so there was no spark to kick it all off.

I think there was an element of terrorist supporters but I expect they were only minor sympathisers, the proper ones will keep out of sight.
So fair play, it was a largely very peaceful protest march.

Twitter showed a lot more antisemitic stuff and pro-Palestine supporters arrests than the MSM did, no surprises there though, and I didn't like that they initially branded all centotaph visitors as right wing protesters, although they did change that branding later. But yes a a lot more peaceful than initially feared.

[irie]

No doubt the police will be tracking down those in the "Free Palestine" rally acting unlawfully. For example, acting in contravention of Section 12(1)(a) of the Terrorism Act 2000:

Added in 2019 the clause makes it illegal to express “an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation”.

Hamas is a proscribed organisation.

[Cousin Jack]

No doubt the police will be tracking down those in the "Free Palestine" rally acting unlawfully. For example, acting in contravention of Section 12(1)(a) of the Terrorism Act 2000:

Added in 2019 the clause makes it illegal to express “an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation”.

Hamas is a proscribed organisation.

"Freeing Palestine" is not the same as supporting Hamas.

[Noggin]

No doubt the police will be tracking down those in the "Free Palestine" rally acting unlawfully. For example, acting in contravention of Section 12(1)(a) of the Terrorism Act 2000:

Added in 2019 the clause makes it illegal to express “an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation”.

Hamas is a proscribed organisation.

"Freeing Palestine" is not the same as supporting Hamas.

I think a lot of Palestinians want to free Palestine from Hamas as well

[irie]

No doubt the police will be tracking down those in the "Free Palestine" rally acting unlawfully. For example, acting in contravention of Section 12(1)(a) of the Terrorism Act 2000:

Added in 2019 the clause makes it illegal to express “an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation”.

Hamas is a proscribed organisation.

"Freeing Palestine" is not the same as supporting Hamas.

Not necessarily the same. But now you mention it, how could Palestine be "freed" other than by Israel ceasing to exist? And if that were the case by who/what other than Hamas? Interesting question.

[MingtheMerciless]

https://en.vedur.is/about-imo/news/a-se ... last-night

Eruption looking more likely, the town of Grindavik is in the firing line, looking at the projected magma Dyke location and google maps there's a chance the towns "shit farm" could be in the firing line. It could be a very smelly eruption.

[Mussels]

A proud member of the Labour party, that's quite some graphic.

[irie]

Media has plenty more like that.

[demographic]

Media has plenty more like that.

In a few hundred thousand people theres always going to be some eejits but how many from theceasefire demo were arrested?
And how many of Tommy Robinsons EDL goaded on by the Home sec were arrested?

[JackyJoll]

Media has plenty more like that.

In a few hundred thousand people theres always going to be some eejits but how many from theceasefire demo were arrested?
And how many of Tommy Robinsons EDL goaded on by the Home sec were arrested?

Proportionally, I expect more (maybe all!) of the Engerland lot were looking for bovver.

[Count Steer]

A proud member of the Labour party, that's quite some graphic.

Why do you think she's a Labour Party member?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservat ... _of_Israel

[irie]

A proud member of the Labour party, that's quite some graphic.

Why do you think she's a Labour Party member?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservat ... _of_Israel

"She"? You really must be careful with your pronouns.

[KungFooBob]

I'm pretty blase, but that combination of the Star of David and the Swastika offends me and I'm an atheist.

[Yorick]

I saw on the news that the idiots were shouting summat like "you're not English " at the non white police.

Was rather poignant that the day was all about those who fell in the wars.
Just Googled and about 130,000 Indian and west Indian soldiers died in WW2 fighting for the UK

The idiots weren't complaining that they weren't English

Racists always forget how many 'darkies' died for their freedom.

[JackyJoll]

I saw on the news that the idiots were shouting summat like "you're not English " at the non white police.

Was rather poignant that the day was all about those who fell in the wars.
Just Googled and about 130,000 Indian and west Indian soldiers died in WW2 fighting for the UK

The idiots weren't complaining that they weren't English

Racists always forget how many 'darkies' died for their freedom.

It looked like they were shouting at all the Police and it was “You’re not English any more.” The chants may have varied over time.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Never has the Cenotaph, in its 103 years of standing sentry on Whitehall, been “defended” on Armistice Day by a Port Vale fan supping a can of Stella Artois.

“I’m here in case the jihadists get past the police, who’ll probably just let them through anyway,” said Ben Neale, 22, from Tunstall, Staffordshire. “If they do come, they’ll soon wish they hadn’t.”

As it transpired, it was some of his fellow football supporters and statue defenders, backed aggressively by elements of the far right, who broke violently through police lines, toppling over metal barricades, throwing missiles and temporarily forcing officers back as they surged towards the Cenotaph on the anniversary of the end of the first world war.

Many stated explicitly that they had travelled to Whitehall because of comments made by the home secretary, Suella Braverman, who, days earlier, had claimed that police treated football supporters – such as Neale – unfavourably compared to “politically connected minority groups”. “She’s the only one making any sense at the minute. We’re sleepwalking into a race war,” said a middle-aged man who said he was a Sunderland fan but did not want to be named. “Armistice is our day!” he added.

“It’s getting ridiculous, them taking our streets, attacking the Cenotaph,” said another man, a black scarf covering the lower part of his face.

Middlesbrough, Rangers and Nottingham Forest flags fluttered in the clear sky. Large numbers wore balaclavas and were clad entirely in black: the street wear of the ultra. Many were drinking heavily. Moments before the silence to remember those lost in conflict, a fug of cannabis smoke drifted above the crowd.

[Mussels]

Why do you think she's a Labour Party member?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservat ... _of_Israel

After the Met published the photo she was identified and named online, I didn't repeat her name as it's meaningless here* but she is a member of Eastbourne Labour party.

* And possibly untrue as the Labour bit might be as well but that's not so slanderous.

[irie]

Never has the Cenotaph, in its 103 years of standing sentry on Whitehall, been “defended” on Armistice Day by a Port Vale fan supping a can of Stella Artois.

“I’m here in case the jihadists get past the police, who’ll probably just let them through anyway,” said Ben Neale, 22, from Tunstall, Staffordshire. “If they do come, they’ll soon wish they hadn’t.”

As it transpired, it was some of his fellow football supporters and statue defenders, backed aggressively by elements of the far right, who broke violently through police lines, toppling over metal barricades, throwing missiles and temporarily forcing officers back as they surged towards the Cenotaph on the anniversary of the end of the first world war.

Many stated explicitly that they had travelled to Whitehall because of comments made by the home secretary, Suella Braverman, who, days earlier, had claimed that police treated football supporters – such as Neale – unfavourably compared to “politically connected minority groups”. “She’s the only one making any sense at the minute. We’re sleepwalking into a race war,” said a middle-aged man who said he was a Sunderland fan but did not want to be named. “Armistice is our day!” he added.

“It’s getting ridiculous, them taking our streets, attacking the Cenotaph,” said another man, a black scarf covering the lower part of his face.

Middlesbrough, Rangers and Nottingham Forest flags fluttered in the clear sky. Large numbers wore balaclavas and were clad entirely in black: the street wear of the ultra. Many were drinking heavily. Moments before the silence to remember those lost in conflict, a fug of cannabis smoke drifted above the crowd.

A perfect example of not seeing the wood for the trees.

[Count Steer]

Never has the Cenotaph, in its 103 years of standing sentry on Whitehall, been “defended” on Armistice Day by a Port Vale fan supping a can of Stella Artois.

True, but the very first one was also troubled by protestors and, it is said, that the original 1 minutes silence was thought to be an idea to calm things down. Admittedly, the protests were of a different nature ie the decision that bodies would not be repatriated (which actually was a class free decision, nobody got brought back regardless of rank etc). It also means that you can stand in some places in France (where they do a mega-respectful job of maintaining the cemeteries) and just go or