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[Cousin Jack]

If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

[JackyJoll]

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?

Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.

In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.

[JackyJoll]

If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?

[Count Steer]

If I were Israel right now, it’s not impossible that I’d be doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

None of us likes it, but it’s what war is like.

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.

[JackyJoll]

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.

Oh don’t be like that!

Chat in the forum or get a room (without me).

[Cousin Jack]

It's an interesting perspective. If you were a Palestinian, born in your homeland, what would you be doing right now?

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.

True, but this is t'internet. My twopenneth is incoming, get used to it.

[Count Steer]

Have I failed to leave my blighted homeland?

Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.

In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.

Ah. OK you've put a lot of thought into it.

[JackyJoll]

Assume the answer to that is "yes'.

Assume the answer to that is 'no'.

Now explain what difference it makes.

In Gaza, I’d probably have to do what the terrorists tell me, until that gets me killed.

Anywhere else, I’d probably try to fit in and avoid the local Moslems.

Ah. OK you've put a lot of thought into it.

I don’t expect to “win” an argument. I’m trying to realistically visualise the situation.

Give me your comparative opinions.

[Cousin Jack]

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As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?

If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.

[Count Steer]

As I have said before, two wrongs do not make a right. Both sides have a 'valid' excuse, both sides are wrong. And innocent people are being killed, on both sides and by both sides.

With due respect, I wasn't asking you Jack.

True, but this is t'internet. My twopenneth is incoming, get used to it.

That's fine but it seems whenever there's an intellectual knife fight on here the usual suspects turn up waving a spoon and claiming that they're deadly spoonists and hiding what they really are (usually just your common or garden racists) behind the light of their wondrous spoon.

I may have stretched that analogy a bit.

[JamJar]

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As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?

If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.

You mean like the Oslo Acords?

[Cousin Jack]

I strongly refute being a racist, and I have NEVER, EVER been accused of being a deadly spoonist!

I will admit to stirring the pot occasionaly, but always in an equal-opportunty fashion. And usually when I really believe what I am writing.

[Cousin Jack]

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As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?

If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.

You mean like the Oslo Acords?

A lot has happened since Oslo. Most of it has not been favourable to Palastinians.

[JackyJoll]

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As I said, I don’t like it.

What would you do if you were Israel, after 7th October 2023?

If I were Israel I would have negotiated a 2 state solution long ago. 7th October would just be another day.

Now it has happened it is even more urgent to agree a compromise, or it will happen again.

That’s reasonably reasonable.

How long ago is “long ago?” Not as long ago as 1948, when the Palestinians had a war instead of a two state solution.

I can’t see the viability of compromise right now, when Hamas guys are stating an intention to repeat and exceed October 7th.

[Cousin Jack]

Hamas is probsbly about 1% of Palestinians

[JackyJoll]

To be fair to the Palestinians, maybe the Arab side should have won the 1948 war, or subsequent wars.

[JackyJoll]

Hamas is probsbly about 1% of Palestinians

They are in control of more than 1% of Palestinians in Gaza.

[MyLittleStudPony]

The statue defenders are the real enemies of free speech

Why is the fear-zone right afraid to debate whether imperial figures are still national heroes?

Britain’s empire ended a long time ago. The fall of statues to slavers and imperial officers is an opportunity for the iconography of our public spaces to finally be brought into line with the democratic approach that has governed public life for almost a century. Protests in response to the Black Lives Movement create the exciting prospect of Britain properly reckoning with the empire it lost generations ago. In its place, they allow us to collectively create a shared national story to reflect and celebrate what, in practice, the country has been since the 1950s: a democratic, self-governing, multi-racial post-imperial society.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... ee-speech/

From the river to the sea.

If you destroy the past then those who follow can not learn from it and are condemned to repeat it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

It seems unlikely we will return to slavery even if the statues are removed.

[JackyJoll]

The statue defenders are the real enemies of free speech

Why is the fear-zone right afraid to debate whether imperial figures are still national heroes?

Britain’s empire ended a long time ago. The fall of statues to slavers and imperial officers is an opportunity for the iconography of our public spaces to finally be brought into line with the democratic approach that has governed public life for almost a century. Protests in response to the Black Lives Movement create the exciting prospect of Britain properly reckoning with the empire it lost generations ago. In its place, they allow us to collectively create a shared national story to reflect and celebrate what, in practice, the country has been since the 1950s: a democratic, self-governing, multi-racial post-imperial society.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... ee-speech/

From the river to the sea.

If you destroy the past then those who follow can not learn from it and are condemned to repeat it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

It seems unlikely we will return to slavery even if the statues are removed.

Society will fall and rise a few times, before the planet freezes. There will be slaves, at times.

[Dodgy69]

I would imagine 99% of the global population want to live in peace. So whose fault is it, we don't.