Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

Post by **Mussels** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:49 am

It might work if the battery is big enough and you can tell it when to run the engine, i.e. you can make sure you have a full battery when you are about to start the climb.
That still won't help if the brakes are inadequate on the way down, maybe they should mount a huge resistor on the roof to burn off extra energy.

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:54 am

Mussels wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:49 am maybe they should mount a huge resistor on the roof to burn off extra energy.

You've been reading my e-mails haven't you?

Post by **cheb** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:01 pm

Wasn't that the system mounted underneath heavy lorries and coaches?

https://www.telma.com/

Post by **Mussels** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:02 pm

They need to build risk assessment into satnavs taking expected speeds, loads and gradients into account.

Big descent after 50 miles but the battery will not exceed 90% by the time you get to the bottom as long as you don't recharge at any of the 3 previous charging stations. This is followed by a long climb and to make the summit the battery must be topped off to a minimum of 80% between these two points.

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm

They've already started doing stuff like that. SatNav informed vehicle settings have been around for a while - top spec Mercs and Beemers will pre-emptively change down when approaching hills and bends for example so it's less obvious to the passengers.

I'd be very very surprised if EVs are not already well along the road towards changing the way they operate based on what's coming up on the route.

Post by **Mussels** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:57 pm

Potter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:38 pm The biggest issue I have with ICE at the moment is the complexity and the maintenance, I'm tired of rebuilding them, my boat engine seems to break for fun, I look forward to have an electric motor where you just send it away and put another one in if it breaks.

Better than having the batteries sink your boat.

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:00 pm

Potter wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:38 pm The biggest issue I have with ICE at the moment is the complexity and the maintenance, I'm tired of rebuilding them, my boat engine seems to break for fun, I look forward to have an electric motor where you just send it away and put another one in if it breaks.

Modern electric motors are obviously fantastically complicated. But crucially the vast majority of the complexity is in stuff which doesn't move. And well all know how much the home mechanic loves dealing with electrical and software issues!

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:13 pm

Yeah agreed.

Trouble is, most EVs don't have motors alone, they have so called "Electric Drive Units" which also contain all the gears and bearings etc. Theyre only ever gonna get more and more integrated.

So you won't be able to take the motor out....you'll be taking the whole back axle out. I imagine in a few years times there will be independent garages offering rebuild/refurb services.

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:19 pm

It means you don't need two casings, two sets of bearings and so on. Everything's lighter, smaller and cheaper.

Bear in mind that we get pushed to shave 2mm off of the outer casing size....

David · Post by **David** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:20 pm

Have a look at Rich Rebuilds on youtube...he does a lot with Tesla stuff.

Couchy · Post by **Couchy** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:01 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:06 pm They've already started doing stuff like that. SatNav informed vehicle settings have been around for a while - top spec Mercs and Beemers will pre-emptively change down when approaching hills and bends for example so it's less obvious to the passengers.

I'd be very very surprised if EVs are not already well along the road towards changing the way they operate based on what's coming up on the route.

Our Merc in electric mode reads the road, as I let off the accelerator approaching a corner or roundabout the amount of regen increases as you get closer, takes some getting used too and manually adjusting regen as you drive with the paddles means you rarely need to use the actual brakes. The harder you come off the accelerator too the harder the car stops on regen alone. Can get another 10-15% range doing it properly

Post by **Mr. Dazzle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:38 pm

Aye....the old "one pedal" driving

The few times I've driven an EV around MK I've found "super eco mode" the best for getting around quickly. Maximum regen on the pedal.

demographic · Post by **demographic** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:51 pm

Pretty sure I've seen stuff on the fully charged show about them using electric motors on boats round Amsterdam and also on a ferry near Stockholm.
The ferry was just for something like a 20 minute journey and had some massive cables to charge it up but hell, it was a ferry so pretty massive its self.

Neither of them had solar panels admittedly but the launch round Amsterdam was just nice and quiet.

slowsider · Post by **slowsider** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:54 am

Potter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:30 am I think people would want a means of charging the batteries at sea because you often don't know how long you might need to motor for

nice little diesel engine should do it...

Oh...

Post by **Horse** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:31 am

slowsider wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:54 am
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:30 am I think people would want a means of charging the batteries at sea because you often don't know how long you might need to motor for
nice little diesel engine should do it...

Oh...

Pedalo conversion?

But a man of Potter's means can afford to buy a paddle. Or take along a pair of whores to do the rowing.

slowsider · Post by **slowsider** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:03 am

Horse wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:31 am
slowsider wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:54 am
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:30 am I think people would want a means of charging the batteries at sea because you often don't know how long you might need to motor for
nice little diesel engine should do it...

Oh...
Pedalo conversion?

But a man of Potter's means can afford to buy a paddle. Or take along a pair of whores to do the rowing.

That might wear out his rowlocks.

David · Post by **David** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:15 am

demographic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:51 pm Pretty sure I've seen stuff on the fully charged show about them using electric motors on boats round Amsterdam and also on a ferry near Stockholm.
The ferry was just for something like a 20 minute journey and had some massive cables to charge it up but hell, it was a ferry so pretty massive its self.

Neither of them had solar panels admittedly but the launch round Amsterdam was just nice and quiet.

Electric launches are quite common around Holland in general.
Appropo of being a dinosaur.....I was in the small lock at Zandaam a while back ( must have been about 4 years ago now!) in Mascotte, which has a 475 Daf....we were in with a few other boats some quite small day launches. The keeper calked me out first, so i opened the throttle to get her moving (27 tons....) and looked starboard to see the lady in the launch along side get a face full of diesel. ...these old dafs choke up a bit on idle.....

Docca · Post by **Docca** » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:36 am

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Quick spin this morning. 0-60 in under 5 seconds. It feels quick.

Loads of gadgets and car sim etc. So far so good.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:43 pm

Bit early in the year to have the radiator muff fitted.....

slowsider · Post by **slowsider** » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:10 pm

Is that green plate tag a regulatory thing? Saw lots when I was last over

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