Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Count Steer]

Once you retire why will you actually need a car at all?

[Noggin]

So, I can potentially retire in just over 4 years. I bought my 5 series last year brand new, only the 2nd new car ever.

I'd really like to go electric next time, but tbh, I just can't see me being able to afford one. For anything with half decent range and power, you're currently looking at easily £45k plus. The new Kia ev6 is going to be £50k for the more powerful version, for a Kia?

The last thing I want to be doing is spending a large chuck of my monthly income on an electric car. I may well just end up keeping my 5 series for many years after the supposed 2030 cut off date. Not that I actually think that will happen, I think it'll get delayed by 5 or 10 years.

My only worry with that plan is what the price of petrol and excise licence will end up being, making my car uneconomical (it's a 540i). At this stage, I don't know what I'm going to do?

Probably a large compromise, lose a load of power, luxury and range.

Once you retire why will you actually need a car at all? I don't plan on having 2 cars in the house by then. Maybe an ebike but deffo a motorbike and then 1 car we both use.

If I ever retire I"m gonna get a loud smelly sports car and have FUN!!! LOL

[Nordboy]

Once you retire why will you actually need a car at all? I don't plan on having 2 cars in the house by then. Maybe an ebike but deffo a motorbike and then 1 car we both use.

I think a lot of that depends on where we end up living? I'd quite like to be out in the sticks which may well require 2 cars. My wife isn't keen on that idea so lots of discussions coming over the next few years

Abroad is also an option we're considering which will change the whole scenario considerably.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Someone posted a link to this on my LinkedIn....its from last year but makes a few good points.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... les-busted

I think the most interesting point is about capacity though. I don't know if this is true, but well.....it's the National Grid saying it.

"With the first of these, the energy element, the most demand for electricity we’ve had in recent years in the UK was for 62GW in 2002. Since then, due to improved energy efficiency such as the installation of solar panels, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16 per cent. Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation."

[Horse]

It's why the power companies were giving away low-energy light bulbs, cheaper to do that than build new power stations.

I haven't seen domestic figures, but the move to LED streetlights has an enormous saving in power used.

[demographic]

Someone posted a link to this on my LinkedIn....its from last year but makes a few good points.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... les-busted

I think the most interesting point is about capacity though. I don't know if this is true, but well.....it's the National Grid saying it.

"With the first of these, the energy element, the most demand for electricity we’ve had in recent years in the UK was for 62GW in 2002. Since then, due to improved energy efficiency such as the installation of solar panels, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16 per cent. Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation."

I've heard something along those lines on a Fullychargedshow episode.
Along with vehicle to grid storage and charging enabling companies with a lot of vehicles that arent used at night (Amazon delivery and bus companies) being able to store energy and provide grid stabilization.

[Yorick]

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[Couchy]

So, I can potentially retire in just over 4 years. I bought my 5 series last year brand new, only the 2nd new car ever.

I'd really like to go electric next time, but tbh, I just can't see me being able to afford one. For anything with half decent range and power, you're currently looking at easily £45k plus. The new Kia ev6 is going to be £50k for the more powerful version, for a Kia?

The last thing I want to be doing is spending a large chuck of my monthly income on an electric car. I may well just end up keeping my 5 series for many years after the supposed 2030 cut off date. Not that I actually think that will happen, I think it'll get delayed by 5 or 10 years.

My only worry with that plan is what the price of petrol and excise licence will end up being, making my car uneconomical (it's a 540i). At this stage, I don't know what I'm going to do?

Probably a large compromise, lose a load of power, luxury and range.

Once you retire why will you actually need a car at all? I don't plan on having 2 cars in the house by then. Maybe an ebike but deffo a motorbike and then 1 car we both use.

My plan too, buy a cheap Japanese petrol car…..except in a few years you’ll have to accept the costs of fuel to go up and probably road tax in an effort to get them off the road. Then you’ll have to lease an EV out of your pension. It’s crap tbh, the whole system should be setup to only replace a normal car with an EV when the normal car is done. Selling EV is more about selling new car to keep the economy going rather than the environment. It can take 5-7 years for the extra pollution to even out when buying an EV over an ICE car, that’s with them both being new. With an ICE car that’s already made its better to run that one for 10-15 years then replace with an EV. The pollution caused making an EV is similar to me running my V6 bus for 7 years

[demographic]

The pollution caused making an EV is similar to me running my V6 bus for 7 years

I'm not convinced thats right, do you have a link to the facts?

IIRC the breakeven point was sooner and used a smaller petrol vehicle.

[Couchy]

The pollution caused making an EV is similar to me running my V6 bus for 7 years

I'm not convinced thats right, do you have a link to the facts?

IIRC the breakeven point was sooner and used a smaller petrol vehicle.

Volvo polestar released a paper, on 2 new cars it was 70k miles before the EV made sense. That’s 70k miles of electric use to counter the double pollution to manufacture the EV car. By those figures an existing already made car can run for years before it polluted more than making a new EV.
EV cars are all about keeping the economy going, if we didn’t buy new cars the economy would collapse.

[Horse]

Apparently (I nicked it from another forum), in The Times today:

All new homes and offices will feature electric car chargers under new laws designed to address fears over a shortage of plug-in points.

The government confirmed today that legislation would be introduced before next year that would require the installation of charging points on all new-build properties in England.

The legislation, billed as the first of its kind in the world, will also require all chargers to be “smart” devices that will ensure batteries can be replenished without overloading the grid. This includes promoting the use of charging overnight. The rules are expected to come into force next year.

[Mussels]

I'm expecting lots of photos on the internet of charging points installed in completely useless positions to comply with the new law.

[Horse]

https://www.munro-ev.com/

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... oader-year

Start-up All Terrain All Electric (ATAE) will become only the second car manufacturer in Scotland when it launches its new Munro SUV: a rugged, off-road-oriented 4x4 with a one-tonne payload and 150-mile range.

Established by Russ Peterson & Ross Anderson, ATAE aims to fill a gap in the market for a back-to-basics electric off-roader. Based at their Dalmarnock workshop, the pair have designed the new model around the already-proven body and chassis of the conventionally fuelled Ibex F8 from Yorkshire manufacturer Foers. Peterson explained they had first looked at using the Land Rover Defender but with others such as Twisted beating them to the punch with EV versions had decided against it. There were also the additional costs involved with upcycling second-hand Defenders to consider.

[Couchy]

I'm expecting lots of photos on the internet of charging points installed in completely useless positions to comply with the new law.

Before installing an EV charge point the installer has to complete an EV risk assessment as part of the regs. Part of the RA is positioning and cable route so you won’t see many badly placed

Also 99% of charge points are smart now, any that get a grant have to be and the software is on an open charge point protocol. Doesn’t take much of a jump to realise that’s for metering in the future as well as the smart features people need

[Couchy]

Been using our plug in a lot recently. Over 90% of its 7000 miles so far have been on electric despite only a 40 mile range. Having the engine for the longer journeys still gets 65mpg from petrol and also no range anxiety. I was unsure when we bought it but we’ve cut our running pollution by 90% and still have the convenience of petrol if needed.

[Noggin]

Been using our plug in a lot recently. Over 90% of its 7000 miles so far have been on electric despite only a 40 mile range. Having the engine for the longer journeys still gets 65mpg from petrol and also no range anxiety. I was unsure when we bought it but we’ve cut our running pollution by 90% and still have the convenience of petrol if needed.

I really wanted to get the Transit LWB Hybrid minibus for work - but then I was told that it only has a 1.3 engine and wouldn't cope with 9 people & 8 x luggage on the mountain roads. Haven't had a chance to talk to Ford, but I still really like the idea - just wish it had a bigger petrol engine to help it go up the mountains!!

[Couchy]

Been using our plug in a lot recently. Over 90% of its 7000 miles so far have been on electric despite only a 40 mile range. Having the engine for the longer journeys still gets 65mpg from petrol and also no range anxiety. I was unsure when we bought it but we’ve cut our running pollution by 90% and still have the convenience of petrol if needed.

I really wanted to get the Transit LWB Hybrid minibus for work - but then I was told that it only has a 1.3 engine and wouldn't cope with 9 people & 8 x luggage on the mountain roads. Haven't had a chance to talk to Ford, but I still really like the idea - just wish it had a bigger petrol engine to help it go up the mountains!!

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It’s worse than that it’s a 1.0 turbo petrol and only 15 miles range, vans aren’t quite there yet. We bought a hybrid badge for our diesel vans instead

[Noggin]

Been using our plug in a lot recently. Over 90% of its 7000 miles so far have been on electric despite only a 40 mile range. Having the engine for the longer journeys still gets 65mpg from petrol and also no range anxiety. I was unsure when we bought it but we’ve cut our running pollution by 90% and still have the convenience of petrol if needed.

I really wanted to get the Transit LWB Hybrid minibus for work - but then I was told that it only has a 1.3 engine and wouldn't cope with 9 people & 8 x luggage on the mountain roads. Haven't had a chance to talk to Ford, but I still really like the idea - just wish it had a bigger petrol engine to help it go up the mountains!!

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It’s worse than that it’s a 1.0 turbo petrol and only 15 miles range, vans aren’t quite there yet. We bought a hybrid badge for our diesel vans instead

It's a shame - they are 20k cheaper than the diesel, but that's still too expensive if it won't do the job

[Mr. Dazzle]

The whole point of a Hybrid is that the petrol engine isn't really powerful enough. It's obviously a bit more subtle than that, but that's the general idea. You fit an engine which is only just big enough to sustain you at a steady cruise and then use an electric motor for the peaks and troughs of acceleration etc.

Doesn't work so well when some silly bastard wants to drag a load of people and their skis up a hill.

[Noggin]

The whole point of a Hybrid is that the petrol engine isn't really powerful enough. It's obviously a bit more subtle than that, but that's the general idea. You fit an engine which is only just big enough to sustain you at a steady cruise and then use an electric motor for the peaks and troughs of acceleration etc.

Doesn't work so well when some silly bastard wants to drag a load of people and their skis up a hill.

Most definitely up mountains!! I'm pretty sure the minibuses would work on hills when fully laden!! LOL


I need to do some research and I've heard mention that there's a company using Mercedes minibuses that are either Hybrid or electric - but I haven't actually seen them!! LOL Might just be rumour!