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[Screwdriver]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference, perpetrated by the deep state in order to install a puppet president?

I do not subscribe to the IQ theory, the village idiot is equally entitled to express a preference to suit their personal agenda. In this case, critical information was repressed, information which at the very least revealed the possibility of corruption within the Biden mafia. A possibility which is now confirmed as the tangled web of corruption begins to unfurl.

So it is not the inability of a person or persons to form a valid opinion which is at question here. It is the taxpayer funded mechanism of state authority which has been turned against its own populace into a partisan machine for installing a figurehead of choice based on lies.

[DefTrap]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

No, not really. It's certainly IS disputed, otherwise we wouldn't still be arguing about it years later. And it's all very well keeping quoting 'deep state', but this requires so much collusion across the globe it's just hugely unlikely.

And Trump is just such a poor poster boy when it comes to 'truth', it's comical.
If it weren't for the fact that Trump is such a blustering, ignorant fool, this would have been cleared up yonks ago.

But don't let that make you think I'm in love with Biden, clearly an incompetent old duffer, clearly being propped up massively by the backroom-boys (which to a lesser or greater extent they ALL are FFS), clearly shouldn't have been considered as a presidential candidate. But in a democracy, the winner takes all, the people have spoken - I like it, they only have themselves to blame.

[Screwdriver]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

No, not really. It's certainly IS disputed, otherwise we wouldn't still be arguing about it years later. And it's all very well keeping quoting 'deep state', but this requires so much collusion across the globe it's just hugely unlikely.

And Trump is just such a poor poster boy when it comes to 'truth', it's comical.
If it weren't for the fact that Trump is such a blustering, ignorant fool, this would have been cleared up yonks ago.

But don't let that make you think I'm in love with Biden, clearly an incompetent old duffer, clearly being propped up massively by the backroom-boys (which to a lesser or greater extent they ALL are FFS), clearly shouldn't have been considered as a presidential candidate. But in a democracy, the winner takes all, the people have spoken - I like it, they only have themselves to blame.

Just to be clear what exactly you are disputing here is that the FBI/CIA/mainstream media/FaceBook etc. all conspired to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story prior to the election. Dismissing it as Russian disinformation (literally on fabricated non-existent "intel") or calling it "hacked" or perhaps most incredibly, suggesting it wasn't even Hunters laptop.

You dispute that do you?

Deep state does not necessarily mean what you think it does. It is a very dark place where politics gets mixed up with organised crime, the judicial system and of course the FBI/CIA. We all know that. What is less well known perhaps is that this organisation (for that is what it is) also largely funds the Silicon Valley den of big tech and big pharma.

It is why we have gain of function research, DNA and RNA "medications". It is why people like Sam Bankman-Fried can walk away from a gigantic ponzi scheme and also why similar figures like Jeffrey Epstein end up murdering themselves before they can testify.** Countless other figures who are involved in the deep state die in the most unlikely and yet criminally expedient circumstances.

These facts (actual dead people who were battling with the Clintons for example or playboys for Obama) are now beginning to become so outrageously unlikely merely from a statistical perspective that the cat is well and truly out of the bag. Just because many of these people don't accidentally fall out of a window in Moscow doesn't mean they weren't assassinated.\

The true story behind the deep state is so violent, so interconnected with such unbelievable ambitions for humanity (look up the transhumanism agenda aka the new eugenics) that merely to draw an outline would have me labelled a conspiracy theorist nutter. I may be doomscrolling but that does not mean this doom is not being prepared for us.

**interesting that most people associate Epstein with human trafficking and the supply of youngsters to the rich and powerful). That was not his day job. He was involved in another massive ponzi scheme which netted billions. The very people he was working with to con the public out of those billions are the same people who were using his "escort services"! Oh and of course, they're also the same people who create policies, own mainstream media, big tech etc. I try not to let it bother me, it's just human nature. What gets me is when people get all defensive or apologetic for the perpetrators and pretend none of this is actually happening. It is what it is.

[Cousin Jack]

Given a choice between mahoosive conspiracy and assine fuckwittery, the fuckwittery is overwhelmingly most likely. It may well be combined with elements of criminalty and/or corruption, but it still isn't the 'deep state' conspiracy.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The US needs Voter IQ before it needs Voter ID. Something like 20% of the people who voted for X are now saying if they knew then, what they know now, they would have voted for Y.

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)

I suspect you can find a poll which shows *significant chunk* of voters have changed their mind about *issue de jour* and would have voted for *the other side* on whichever topic you care to look at in whichever nation you consider.

I don't think its got anything to do with "waking up", IQ, laziness or anything else like that. I reckon it's far simpler...

"Things" haven't gone the way people wanted and now they're sure it would all have been different if they'd voted for the other guy.

Plus the fact polls are shite in general.

[ZRX61]

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)


I'm not even sure it's IQ - it's laziness. Just a little bit of research and you can find out more balanced information without 'that' much effort. Then you need to use your head to work out where it's come from and if it's trustworthy. It really isn't rocket science!!

One of the programs on Fox has a roving reporter dude who interviews the public about every day politics etc. It's not unusual for him to find some blithering idiot who can't even name the VP... altho given Harris's record I'm not surprised.

[Noggin]

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)

I suspect you can find a poll which shows *significant chunk* of voters have changed their mind about *issue de jour* and would have voted for *the other side* on whichever topic you care to look at in whichever nation you consider.

I don't think its got anything to do with "waking up", IQ, laziness or anything else like that. I reckon it's far simpler...

"Things" haven't gone the way people wanted and now they're sure it would all have been different if they'd voted for the other guy.

Plus the fact polls are shite in general.

I've never looked at the polls, I'm using people I've actually spoken to as the example!! Polls can be made to say whatever the person reporting wants them to say it seems! But a stupidly high number of people I have met and spoken to have said they'd have voted differently if they'd known b, c or d beforehand

[Count Steer]

Given a choice between mahoosive conspiracy and assine fuckwittery, the fuckwittery is overwhelmingly most likely. It may well be combined with elements of criminalty and/or corruption, but it still isn't the 'deep state' conspiracy.

I don't believe for a minute that the election was 'stolen' but even if it was I can't be the only person that thinks 'Thank for that'. Needs must when the devil drives etc.

Next election I expect the Russians to go into overdrive to influence the result again - it'll be the cheapest way of 'winning' the war in Ukraine. Be interesting to see if the Ukrainian's get geared up for the info-war.

[DefTrap]

You dispute that do you?

No, I never mentioned any laptops. I'm replying directly to this
>> So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

Trump lost, how he lost is debatable. He and TeamBiden are both pretty unscrupulous wankers. I find it hilarious that there's a campaign to get rid of massive wanker Biden and replace him with massive wanker Trump, like that would be some sort of victory for 'good'. Another four years of a slightly different sort of mental fuckwittery.

How about the candidates actually aren't terrible for a change, so that every presidency isn't wall-to-wall incompetency and threats of impeachment.?

[Yorick]

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[Yorick]

I know this is sports related, but news to me...

Hansi Flick has been sacked as Germany manager following Saturday's 4-1 friendly defeat by Japan in Wolfsburg.

He becomes the first Germany boss to be sacked since the role was created in 1926.

Strange how countries work.
England has sacked probably dozens of managers in that time.
Wonder how they've got rid of rubbish in the past?

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66765708

[Bigjawa]

I know this is sports related, but news to me...

Hansi Flick has been sacked as Germany manager following Saturday's 4-1 friendly defeat by Japan in Wolfsburg.

He becomes the first Germany boss to be sacked since the role was created in 1926.

Strange how countries work.
England has sacked probably dozens of managers in that time.
Wonder how they've got rid of rubbish in the past?

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66765708

They didn't employ rubbish in the first place.

[Yambo]

As well as having a leading role in the popular series 'Allo, Allo' Herr Flick was also successful at Bayern Munich, winning 70 out of 86 games.

Not really rubbish, quite talented it seems.

[Yorick]

I know this is sports related, but news to me...

Hansi Flick has been sacked as Germany manager following Saturday's 4-1 friendly defeat by Japan in Wolfsburg.

He becomes the first Germany boss to be sacked since the role was created in 1926.

Strange how countries work.
England has sacked probably dozens of managers in that time.
Wonder how they've got rid of rubbish in the past?

.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66765708

They didn't employ rubbish in the first place.

Alf Ramsey got sacked despite winning the World Cup

[Bigjawa]

I know this is sports related, but news to me...

Hansi Flick has been sacked as Germany manager following Saturday's 4-1 friendly defeat by Japan in Wolfsburg.

He becomes the first Germany boss to be sacked since the role was created in 1926.

Strange how countries work.
England has sacked probably dozens of managers in that time.
Wonder how they've got rid of rubbish in the past?

.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66765708

They didn't employ rubbish in the first place.

Alf Ramsey got sacked despite winning the World Cup

Churchill got sacked after winning the war......

[Cousin Jack]

Hitler was not sacked for losing the war, he did resign though, from the human race.

[ZRX61]

How about the candidates actually aren't terrible for a change, so that every presidency isn't wall-to-wall incompetency and threats of impeachment.?

Nikki Haley was sounding like a possibility, then she went full-on Hillary Clinton BatShitCrazy during the first debate. Just about everything she claimed other candidates said never happened. She misquoted Swami trying to make it appear he said the exact opposite of what he actually said.
Swami was the only one up there sounding intelligent.
Pence will never get the nomination because of his religion/superstition based idiocy.
DeSantis would get the most votes if it wasn't for Trump.

.. and now we've got ONE trial for NINETEEN people occuring in the middle of it... The prosecutor is saying it will only take 4 months... With something like 150 witnesses each have to testify 19 times... & christ knows how many lawyers all getting to have their say during jury selection.

I think the US has outlived it's usefulness.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Trump was Brexity.

Let's keep things Brexity. Nice and Brexity.

Because that's all going so well.

[Dodgy69]

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Sounds familiar.

[Screwdriver]

Given a choice between mahoosive conspiracy and assine fuckwittery, the fuckwittery is overwhelmingly most likely. It may well be combined with elements of criminalty and/or corruption, but it still isn't the 'deep state' conspiracy.

"Conspiracy" has changed its meaning since it is now used mainly as an insult. Typically used to align anyone who presents an off script message about the reality of todays political system right next to flat earthers and UFO chasers. It just means a group of people from disparate entities planning together to engineer a situation they know is not for the common good.

Can we call it for what it is; political corruption. Obviously those in receipt of "lobbying" (bribes) are in fact conspiring with <name that corporate entity. <name that corrupt politician> is no longer representing the best interest of their voters but doing whatever they are told by the highest bidder.

As for the so called "deep state" companies like Google and Facebook but especially Amazon are not people friendly corporate entities. They are extensions of state surveillance. Sponsored by various "programs" they receive MASSIVE handouts/investments from publicly funded state agencies to basically do what they're told. If you don't think those companies have embedded ties to state authorities like the CIA/FBI then that's not what I call "thinking".

Taxpayers money being used to create systems which give more power, more control and more authority to the installed government until one day we all wake up in a totalitarian regime. That is the plan. Whether or not it will work remains to be seen. I am particularly interested in what happens with the WHO and their power grab which would grant them authority over and above any sovereign country.

In light of Billy fucking Gates and his ownership of the WHO, his position on transhumanism/eugenics and a curious appetite for developing deadly viruses, I can only hope it ends up as the plot for the next Bond movie (You Only Die Once). Not an horrific dystopian future where half the worlds population is wiped out by a "mystery virus" and the survivors have to use Windows to maintain life support with their "smart blood nanites"...