Should topic creators grow up or should i seriously restrict forum use/ownership

[Ant]

Ballshit + Windup = Troll

Yes, we know what it means, but you suggested that is what I've done. Could you perhaps show me some examples of such?

You have been posting flippant random negative statements since you've returned.

Could you show some examples of such?

How about engaging into a conversation with a positive attitude and try and understand other people opinions even if they are against yours?

This is what I'm doing right now. As a result of your statement about my personal engagement, I'm now asking you questions based on that. That is engaging in a conversation rather than pointing the finger with no evidence, which is what a troll would do.

[Mussels]

When thread of the year comes around it will be:
Best mmpp thread starter - Weeksy

[Mr Moofo]

E.g. the gun thread, lots of chatter because some American kids died, which of course is horrific, but no mention ever of the one thousand plus children that die every single day in Africa from (mainly) preventable illness and malnutrition.

There are analogies to the gun issue : That is America's problem and they have to sort it out. Blindly following the course they are on, with mental sickness running high, have and have not gap getting wider, a liberal elite who have their heads stuck up their arses, a blue collar activism who can barely read etc

Africa's dysfunctionality is now Africa problem - if whitey tries to help, we are are colonialist. Despite Bob and Midge's assurances, stuff does grow in Africa. In fact, it should be a hugely rich continent. Now, folklore will blame that on the legacy of slavery and the lost generations - but not include the African Warlords , who became rich on the misery. Sub Saharan Africa should be as rich as - but it isn't whitey fucking over the man in the street / gutter/ dirt track - it is the rampant corruption at every level. Nigeria should be very wealthy, it's just very corrupt. South Africa should be very wealthy, it's just very corrupt. Kenya, Zimbabwe are a basket cases etc , etc. With the latter being created from a wealthy country and raped by marxists doctrine and Mugabe's greed.
It is now time for the intelligencia of Africa to step up, stop selling their arses to the Chinese for baubles for the family, and make the continent start working for it's own good.
The issue for Africa, a past of being exploited by the "West" has created a culture of entitled dependance. Of every 100 USD raise for Live Aid, 1 USD got to where it mattered.
Everyone can keep on chucking money at Africa for famine, health and child mortality. But it won't make the slight difference until the African Leaders actually lead.

[Felix]

I have no idea what left or right means. And have no desire to learn.

Neither did Dian Abbott

[Taipan]

I have no idea what left or right means. And have no desire to learn.

And mods shouldn't abuse their status by being pompous and know-it-all.

Politics is like a penguin. It as a left and a right wing. Neither does anything other than flap and make a noise.

[weeksy]

I don't think many people understand very much of any of ideologies.

Let's take the other side, the (alleged) right wing statue defenders - I bet if The Pony sat them down and (were he capable) explained the materialist conception of history to any of these working class chaps, then they'd probably agree and form a little club, at which point you could call them left wing agitators, and they wouldn't have realised that they'd swapped sides.

Ergo, it's all a load of tabloid/Twitter bollocks and it's disappointing when I see apparently intelligent people getting in line to suck on the tit of nonsense because it satisfies their angst.

Are you not equally as guilty by you own posts/threads?

[mangocrazy]

Potter is a trawler-man. He casts his nets far and wide...

[Cousin Jack]

Ideologies are all gross oversimplifications of reality. Real people who live in the real world may be left or right leaning, sometimes both together. My views on some things are pretty right wing, but on others fairly left wing. Pragmatism is best, if an ideology has been tried in some areas and had failed (eg Central control in Communism), best not try that.

[weeksy]

Potter is a trawler-man. He casts his nets far and wide...

Well you see, I'm not convinced. I think that may be what he says, "I'm trying to make them think" but I don't believe that's the case.
I don't think for a second he's made anyone rethink their stances on guns, alcohol or racism.

[mangocrazy]

Or he simply enjoys winding people up and getting a reaction? Or a mixture of the two...

[weeksy]

Well you see, I'm not convinced. I think that may be what he says, "I'm trying to make them think" but I don't believe that's the case.
I don't think for a second he's made anyone rethink their stances on guns, alcohol or racism.

I think you're right, I enjoy practising though.

It's a bit like if you see Bellwood out on his bike, you really want to explain why it's shit, but it's easier just to take the piss.
I do try sometimes though and there are references that wouldn't harm people if they took the time to understand them.

I have no doubt your heart is in the right place...i'm just not convinced it works

[Docca]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I know.

The last time you got like this I stayed off the forum for a couple of weeks to see if it would carry on without me being any part of it, it did carry on and you gave two other people temporary bans.

Maybe make it clear it's a left wing moaning platform and it won't get any moderation, then leave them to it and I'll stay away, because at the moment some people are under the impression that both sides are allowed to make their points.

Since Yorick packed it in the only moderator that comes close to saying anything about the far left view is Moofo and he's centre left living in Brighton

I’ve no idea why left or right wing anything has to be played in to this debate. That’s a very fragile and paranoid point, in my view.

I don’t mind Ant’s comments either though. Sometimes I agree with him ( broken clock and all that).

As for incendiary stuff: you’ll be flabbergasted to hear that I don’t mind healthy debate, and sometimes you have to stoke the embers to get things moving. Some of the best comments ( from Iccy et al) that I’ve ever read have been in political debates.

If it’s in its own forum, with the right warnings- and nobody is really making threats to kill each other, then I can’t see the issue at all. It’s a bit like being outraged about a programme you’ve decided to watch, when you could just change the channel.

Be a shame to lose that space, especially because it’s a welcome retreat from all the pious confirmation bias and group think we have to endure in other spaces.

I don’t believe anyone genuinely dislikes anyone on here.

[Greenman]

I don't think many people understand very much of any of ideologies.

Let's take the other side, the (alleged) right wing statue defenders - I bet if The Pony sat them down and (were he capable) explained the materialist conception of history to any of these working class chaps, then they'd probably agree and form a little club, at which point you could call them left wing agitators, and they wouldn't have realised that they'd swapped sides.

Ergo, it's all a load of tabloid/Twitter bollocks and it's disappointing when I see apparently intelligent people getting in line to suck on the tit of nonsense because it satisfies their angst.

It's just putting people in boxes.

You have to be a member of some group these days, otherwise you are thought as being weird and full of conspiracy!

There is no left and right but those who can think independently and those who just follow the crowd.

Independent thought is becoming a thing of the past.

Fake is the new real!

and all that jazz.

[MyLittleStudPony]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I know.

The last time you got like this I stayed off the forum for a couple of weeks to see if it would carry on without me being any part of it, it did carry on and you gave two other people temporary bans.

Maybe make it clear it's a left wing moaning platform and it won't get any moderation, then leave them to it and I'll stay away, because at the moment some people are under the impression that both sides are allowed to make their points.

Since Yorick packed it in the only moderator that comes close to saying anything about the far left view is Moofo and he's centre left living in Brighton

I’ve no idea why left or right wing anything has to be played in to this debate. That’s a very fragile and paranoid point, in my view.

I don’t mind Ant’s comments either though. Sometimes I agree with him ( broken clock and all that).

As for incendiary stuff: you’ll be flabbergasted to hear that I don’t mind healthy debate, and sometimes you have to stoke the embers to get things moving. Some of the best comments ( from Iccy et al) that I’ve ever read have been in political debates.

If it’s in its own forum, with the right warnings- and nobody is really making threats to kill each other, then I can’t see the issue at all. It’s a bit like being outraged about a programme you’ve decided to watch, when you could just change the channel.

Be a shame to lose that space, especially because it’s a welcome retreat from all the pious confirmation bias and group think we have to endure in other spaces.

I don’t believe anyone genuinely dislikes anyone on here.

I don't like Taipan. Always going on about motorbikes. This motorbike X, that motorbike Y. He should sort his life out and start making changes!

[MyLittleStudPony]

I don't think many people understand very much of any of ideologies.

Let's take the other side, the (alleged) right wing statue defenders - I bet if The Pony sat them down and (were he capable) explained the materialist conception of history to any of these working class chaps, then they'd probably agree and form a little club, at which point you could call them left wing agitators, and they wouldn't have realised that they'd swapped sides.

Ergo, it's all a load of tabloid/Twitter bollocks and it's disappointing when I see apparently intelligent people getting in line to suck on the tit of nonsense because it satisfies their angst.

Statue defenders..... hooooooo!

[Mr Moofo]

Really enjoying my centre left status.

[Count Steer]

Really enjoying my centre left status.

I'd only just got used to being an 'Accidental Marxist'

[Buckaroo]

Really enjoying my centre left status.

You need a spirit level, just like the battery charging type, to ensure you're definitely centre left and not centre right.

They have them on Amazon.