Job satisfaction and happiness... is it all down to money ?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

What do you find fulfilling about work, my job is part of generating money for capitalists, it's not fulfilling in anyway, but it pays well.

If I wanted fulfillment I'd be helping the poor people of the world.

That sounds like slow death to me, there is no way I could keep turning up to do something that was not fulfilling in any way.

Life is short, ride some waves before you waste it all.

It's work, it's why they pay me, I've got a good life outside of work so I'm happy.

I had a job where I attempted to make the world a slightly better place but the company I worked for were more interested in profit that the environment.

I'd love to work for an organisation that makes the world a better place, but I don't fit with the whiney, self righteous lefties that generally work at these places, so I'll carry on working for somewhere that makes a profit out of a capitalist system that makes people miserable by encouraging them to buy things they don't need, I am massively cynical about consumerism, but when you see ship loads of shite that no one needs and that only brings fleeting happiness, you see consumerism for what it is, a way of rich people getting richer by exploiting the poor and stupid.

[Potter]

No it was a response to iccy. Most jobs don't fully fulfil people.

I doubt any job would, I bet even astronauts and pornstars have days when they just can't be arsed.
But to sit in a job for years that gives you literally nothing back except money seems like a terrible waste of your life to me, especially when you don't have to.

I think most people try and achieve a mix of reward and satisfaction.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

No it was a response to iccy. Most jobs don't fully fulfil people.

I doubt any job would, I bet even astronauts and pornstars have days when they just can't be arsed.
But to sit in a job for years that gives you literally nothing back except money seems like a terrible waste of your life to me, especially when you don't have to.

I think most people try and achieve a mix of reward and satisfaction.

I used to know someone who had a small porn empire, she was far more cynical than me.

[Yorick]

So, sold my terraced house in the UK and bought a much bigger detached house on a 5000 sq metre plot in semi rural Spain. Most days I potter around the garden doing whatever needs doing

Kin 'ell, that makes my 1.500m plot look like tiny

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

So, sold my terraced house in the UK and bought a much bigger detached house on a 5000 sq metre plot in semi rural Spain. Most days I potter around the garden doing whatever needs doing

Kin 'ell, that makes my 1.500m plot look like tiny

Do you live in a telephone box?

[Yorick]

So, sold my terraced house in the UK and bought a much bigger detached house on a 5000 sq metre plot in semi rural Spain. Most days I potter around the garden doing whatever needs doing

Kin 'ell, that makes my 1.500m plot look like tiny

Do you live in a telephone box?

I've switched to writing numbers the Spanish way as I've been caught out a few times here. Sorry.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Kin 'ell, that makes my 1.500m plot look like tiny

Do you live in a telephone box?

I've switched to writing numbers the Spanish way as I've been caught out a few times here. Sorry.

I knew what you meant, I just thought it was mildly amusing - I didn't know the Spanish wrote numbers differently

[Yorick]

Do you live in a telephone box?

I've switched to writing numbers the Spanish way as I've been caught out a few times here. Sorry.

I knew what you meant, I just thought it was mildly amusing - I didn't know the Spanish wrote numbers differently

When we were buying the house, our lawyer told us to get several bank cheques, including one for 280.000. He wrote it the Spanish way. So it didn't seem a lot, until the bank checked my request. Gulp.

[Asian Boss]

Interesting thread, although I’m a bit uncomfortable with some of misogynistic comments- guess that’s more typical for this demographic though

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I quite like this; growth vs fixed mindset. The Peter principle is absolutely evident, as is a time-served approach to progression ( you’ve been here for ages Bob, why don’t you go for that promotion..). IME, you should be nurturing a mentality amongst the workforce that they can grow and move into leadership roles - but it needs a lot of investment, usually involves a lot of additional learning.

Not everyone will be cut out for senior roles. If you’re self aware, chances are you’ll know your ceiling. I know mine and have made peace with that. I am able to make inroads in more national leadership roles without being at the very top of my local organisation ( I’m on two national advisory panels-and it’s fun, because you don’t get the local politics).

Anyway, you’ll not get served progression on a plate- so if you want to advance into more senior roles, scope out the role/the requirements and expectations. It’s not just more money and I fact it’s ‘expensive money’ - you’ll get a few quid more for a load more responsibility.

Middle managers are 10 a penny. I quite like the Gallop ‘strengths finder’ approach ) you’ll have to look it up). This is where you assess strengths Of an individual and rather than try and qualify out perceived weakness with training etc- build the team that compliments the strengths of its individuals. I have 15 services in my portfolio and the very worst is the one that’s full of superhero’s who try and solve things as individuals ( fixed mindset). That’s changing, but all cultures need time to turn around.

Bravo. I agree entirely.

Management and indeed effective leadership is best achieved using at least some techniques often derived from formalised learning. This enables the development and perpetuation of high performing teams. Communication and ensuring all individuals have a voice along with clear understanding of measurable targets whilst aligning goals and subgoals with mission statements and corporate values and embedding these early in projects. Above all it's crucial to ensure all team members are fully motivated, enthused and most critically engaged, ensuring a positive work experience for all in which people enjoy and are satisfied by their work and are not merely turning up for the paycheck. This is best achieved using at least some business and people focussed tools.

My personal favorite is Van Achman's Seven Steps to Wheedle Out a Dissenter.

[Docca]

Very good

[Potter]

It's work, it's why they pay me, I've got a good life outside of work so I'm happy.

I had a job where I attempted to make the world a slightly better place but the company I worked for were more interested in profit that the environment.

I'd love to work for an organisation that makes the world a better place, but I don't fit with the whiney, self righteous lefties that generally work at these places, so I'll carry on working for somewhere that makes a profit out of a capitalist system that makes people miserable by encouraging them to buy things they don't need, I am massively cynical about consumerism, but when you see ship loads of shite that no one needs and that only brings fleeting happiness, you see consumerism for what it is, a way of rich people getting richer by exploiting the poor and stupid.

Ok, that's a valid viewpoint, so let's take that at face value.

You can still believe that and find a job that gives you some measure of fulfilment, you can't do much about what other people do or how they spend their money, but it doesn't mean you have to daily flagellate yourself in a soulless job you don't like just for a pound note.

[Potter]

Bravo. I agree entirely.

Management and indeed effective leadership is best achieved using at least some techniques often derived from formalised learning. This enables the development and perpetuation of high performing teams. Communication and ensuring all individuals have a voice along with clear understanding of measurable targets whilst aligning goals and subgoals with mission statements and corporate values and embedding these early in projects. Above all it's crucial to ensure all team members are fully motivated, enthused and most critically engaged, ensuring a positive work experience for all in which people enjoy and are satisfied by their work and are not merely turning up for the paycheck. This is best achieved using at least some business and people focussed tools.

My personal favorite is Van Achman's Seven Steps to Wheedle Out a Dissenter.

And a degree.
You must have a degree.

[DefTrap]

I do a job which ultimately makes people lead better, longer and healthier lives.
But that aspect of it doesn't really bring me much satisfaction