In todays news...

[JackyJoll]

It’s funny, but annoying that they bring expert people onto the News to talk about the escaped prisoner and all they can do is waffle.

Apparently he’s got a lot of training and may be living off the land in south London.

[westers151]

Apparently he’s got a lot of training and may be living off the land in south London.

So, Macdonalds and Kebabs

[JackyJoll]

Apparently he’s got a lot of training and may be living off the land in south London.

So, Macdonalds and Kebabs

Living off the pavement, where they throw the salad.

[Bigjawa]

Apparently he’s got a lot of training and may be living off the land in south London.

So, Macdonalds and Kebabs

Living off the pavement, where they throw the salad.

They've scooped him.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-6674 ... type=share

Musk trying to be Billy Big Balls again....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66752264

[Hot_Air]

It's Obama and Clinton who are pulling the strings.

What makes you say that?

[JackyJoll]

It's Obama and Clinton who are pulling the strings.

What makes you say that?

Someone pulled his string.

[Screwdriver]

What makes you say that?

Couple of obvious clues really. One of them was from Obama himself who said (and I quote) “If I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in, a frontman or frontwoman, and they had an earpiece in, and I was just in my basement in my sweats, looking through the stuff, then deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking — I’d be fine with that,” Obama said.

He often "joked" about wanting a third term so I suspect during his two years in office he set up a situation where he would be able to pull strings by having all the right people in all the right places. Played havoc with Trumps entire term while he was constantly battling with the so called "deep state".

Then Biden miraculously won the last election beating Trump at the very last moment in the last few hours when several thousand votes were found in just the right states. Trump received more votes than any presidential candidate in history. Must have been a bit worrying for all those ballot harvesting teams when they realised they'd have to not only beat that score but also not get caught. Not to worry, even though it was obvious to anyone watching, the powers that be own all of the media, the judicial system, the FBI etc. The story got buried and called "debunked" when it actually never has been.

We digress. No one in their right mind would believe Biden is running anything. He is clearly a puppet. He reads off cue cards (who is writing those for him?), never allows questions in the very rare press conferences run literally from a studio set, can't remember where he is or who he is talking to half the time etc.

So I put two and two together. The Clintons are an extremely powerful political entity and Hilary was literally caught red handed with a home office setup. Obama obviously is too and while the people who call the shots are most likely big business, big pharma etc. it will be Obama who is raking in the cash and making it happen. Same thing is most likely true for all that money the Biden mafia are raking in from the CCP, Ukraine etc. When Biden started syphoning off oil money from Ukraine, he was only the vice president. You think he could get away with that without permission from the boss?

[ZRX61]

The people puling Biden's strings are George Soros & Tom Steyer... plus whoever gave Hunter $20Million.

[Screwdriver]

The people puling Biden's strings are George Soros & Tom Steyer... plus whoever gave Hunter $20Million.

That's the money yes but it has to get into the hands of people who know how to get things done.

[ZRX61]

That's the money yes but it has to get into the hands of people who know how to get things done.

The US needs Voter IQ before it needs Voter ID. Something like 20% of the people who voted for Biden are now saying if they knew then, what they know now, they would have voted for Trump. So we have election interference/manipulation by the DNC, media & the FBI etc to thank for Biden. Without that, Trump would have won by a landslide.

A few mean tweets isn't looking quite so bad now...

And I think Biden is pulling a Galtieri by involving the US in UKraine.. plus we had the dumb motherfucker admit that US munitions are seriously depleted, which gave China the green flag to invade Taiwan unopposed by the US

[Noggin]

That's the money yes but it has to get into the hands of people who know how to get things done.

The US needs Voter IQ before it needs Voter ID. Something like 20% of the people who voted for Biden are now saying if they knew then, what they know now, they would have voted for Trump. So we have election interference/manipulation by the DNC, media & the FBI etc to thank for Biden. Without that, Trump would have won by a landslide.

A few mean tweets isn't looking quite so bad now...

And I think Biden is pulling a Galtieri by involving the US in UKraine.. plus we had the dumb motherfucker admit that US munitions are seriously depleted, which gave China the green flag to invade Taiwan unopposed by the US

The US needs Voter IQ before it needs Voter ID. Something like 20% of the people who voted for X are now saying if they knew then, what they know now, they would have voted for Y.

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)


I'm not even sure it's IQ - it's laziness. Just a little bit of research and you can find out more balanced information without 'that' much effort. Then you need to use your head to work out where it's come from and if it's trustworthy. It really isn't rocket science!!

[Screwdriver]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference, perpetrated by the deep state in order to install a puppet president?

I do not subscribe to the IQ theory, the village idiot is equally entitled to express a preference to suit their personal agenda. In this case, critical information was repressed, information which at the very least revealed the possibility of corruption within the Biden mafia. A possibility which is now confirmed as the tangled web of corruption begins to unfurl.

So it is not the inability of a person or persons to form a valid opinion which is at question here. It is the taxpayer funded mechanism of state authority which has been turned against its own populace into a partisan machine for installing a figurehead of choice based on lies.

[DefTrap]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

No, not really. It's certainly IS disputed, otherwise we wouldn't still be arguing about it years later. And it's all very well keeping quoting 'deep state', but this requires so much collusion across the globe it's just hugely unlikely.

And Trump is just such a poor poster boy when it comes to 'truth', it's comical.
If it weren't for the fact that Trump is such a blustering, ignorant fool, this would have been cleared up yonks ago.

But don't let that make you think I'm in love with Biden, clearly an incompetent old duffer, clearly being propped up massively by the backroom-boys (which to a lesser or greater extent they ALL are FFS), clearly shouldn't have been considered as a presidential candidate. But in a democracy, the winner takes all, the people have spoken - I like it, they only have themselves to blame.

[Screwdriver]

Wow. So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

No, not really. It's certainly IS disputed, otherwise we wouldn't still be arguing about it years later. And it's all very well keeping quoting 'deep state', but this requires so much collusion across the globe it's just hugely unlikely.

And Trump is just such a poor poster boy when it comes to 'truth', it's comical.
If it weren't for the fact that Trump is such a blustering, ignorant fool, this would have been cleared up yonks ago.

But don't let that make you think I'm in love with Biden, clearly an incompetent old duffer, clearly being propped up massively by the backroom-boys (which to a lesser or greater extent they ALL are FFS), clearly shouldn't have been considered as a presidential candidate. But in a democracy, the winner takes all, the people have spoken - I like it, they only have themselves to blame.

Just to be clear what exactly you are disputing here is that the FBI/CIA/mainstream media/FaceBook etc. all conspired to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story prior to the election. Dismissing it as Russian disinformation (literally on fabricated non-existent "intel") or calling it "hacked" or perhaps most incredibly, suggesting it wasn't even Hunters laptop.

You dispute that do you?

Deep state does not necessarily mean what you think it does. It is a very dark place where politics gets mixed up with organised crime, the judicial system and of course the FBI/CIA. We all know that. What is less well known perhaps is that this organisation (for that is what it is) also largely funds the Silicon Valley den of big tech and big pharma.

It is why we have gain of function research, DNA and RNA "medications". It is why people like Sam Bankman-Fried can walk away from a gigantic ponzi scheme and also why similar figures like Jeffrey Epstein end up murdering themselves before they can testify.** Countless other figures who are involved in the deep state die in the most unlikely and yet criminally expedient circumstances.

These facts (actual dead people who were battling with the Clintons for example or playboys for Obama) are now beginning to become so outrageously unlikely merely from a statistical perspective that the cat is well and truly out of the bag. Just because many of these people don't accidentally fall out of a window in Moscow doesn't mean they weren't assassinated.\

The true story behind the deep state is so violent, so interconnected with such unbelievable ambitions for humanity (look up the transhumanism agenda aka the new eugenics) that merely to draw an outline would have me labelled a conspiracy theorist nutter. I may be doomscrolling but that does not mean this doom is not being prepared for us.

**interesting that most people associate Epstein with human trafficking and the supply of youngsters to the rich and powerful). That was not his day job. He was involved in another massive ponzi scheme which netted billions. The very people he was working with to con the public out of those billions are the same people who were using his "escort services"! Oh and of course, they're also the same people who create policies, own mainstream media, big tech etc. I try not to let it bother me, it's just human nature. What gets me is when people get all defensive or apologetic for the perpetrators and pretend none of this is actually happening. It is what it is.

[Cousin Jack]

Given a choice between mahoosive conspiracy and assine fuckwittery, the fuckwittery is overwhelmingly most likely. It may well be combined with elements of criminalty and/or corruption, but it still isn't the 'deep state' conspiracy.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The US needs Voter IQ before it needs Voter ID. Something like 20% of the people who voted for X are now saying if they knew then, what they know now, they would have voted for Y.

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)

I suspect you can find a poll which shows *significant chunk* of voters have changed their mind about *issue de jour* and would have voted for *the other side* on whichever topic you care to look at in whichever nation you consider.

I don't think its got anything to do with "waking up", IQ, laziness or anything else like that. I reckon it's far simpler...

"Things" haven't gone the way people wanted and now they're sure it would all have been different if they'd voted for the other guy.

Plus the fact polls are shite in general.

[ZRX61]

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)


I'm not even sure it's IQ - it's laziness. Just a little bit of research and you can find out more balanced information without 'that' much effort. Then you need to use your head to work out where it's come from and if it's trustworthy. It really isn't rocket science!!

One of the programs on Fox has a roving reporter dude who interviews the public about every day politics etc. It's not unusual for him to find some blithering idiot who can't even name the VP... altho given Harris's record I'm not surprised.

[Noggin]

I've bolded and quoted this bit because - that's not just the US sadly. Amazing how many times I've heard this from UK voters, expect I'll hear it from French ones too when I eventually get involved in that kind of discussion (I can only vote in local elections here, so I haven't really progressed to the political conversations as yet)

I suspect you can find a poll which shows *significant chunk* of voters have changed their mind about *issue de jour* and would have voted for *the other side* on whichever topic you care to look at in whichever nation you consider.

I don't think its got anything to do with "waking up", IQ, laziness or anything else like that. I reckon it's far simpler...

"Things" haven't gone the way people wanted and now they're sure it would all have been different if they'd voted for the other guy.

Plus the fact polls are shite in general.

I've never looked at the polls, I'm using people I've actually spoken to as the example!! Polls can be made to say whatever the person reporting wants them to say it seems! But a stupidly high number of people I have met and spoken to have said they'd have voted differently if they'd known b, c or d beforehand

[Count Steer]

Given a choice between mahoosive conspiracy and assine fuckwittery, the fuckwittery is overwhelmingly most likely. It may well be combined with elements of criminalty and/or corruption, but it still isn't the 'deep state' conspiracy.

I don't believe for a minute that the election was 'stolen' but even if it was I can't be the only person that thinks 'Thank for that'. Needs must when the devil drives etc.

Next election I expect the Russians to go into overdrive to influence the result again - it'll be the cheapest way of 'winning' the war in Ukraine. Be interesting to see if the Ukrainian's get geared up for the info-war.

[DefTrap]

You dispute that do you?

No, I never mentioned any laptops. I'm replying directly to this
>> So is it really beginning to dawn on people that this was in fact an undisputed aspect of election interference

Trump lost, how he lost is debatable. He and TeamBiden are both pretty unscrupulous wankers. I find it hilarious that there's a campaign to get rid of massive wanker Biden and replace him with massive wanker Trump, like that would be some sort of victory for 'good'. Another four years of a slightly different sort of mental fuckwittery.

How about the candidates actually aren't terrible for a change, so that every presidency isn't wall-to-wall incompetency and threats of impeachment.?