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Yorick wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:34 am I hate the word support.

Support gay folk
Support black folk
Support ginger folk

It's all bollox. I don't "support" anybody.

I do feel strongly that everyone is equal and we all have equal rights.

Doesn't mean I have to support anybody.

Yeah. I'm pissed off coz they're showing yacht racing instead of WSB :D

You’re supposed to stand with them.

You’ll have to find them standing somewhere, for that to work, though.
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Maybe trans people are just like Megan Markle and don't want old men saying unkind things about them?
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Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:03 pm Maybe trans people are just like Megan Markle and don't want old men saying unkind things about them?
Yes, maybe a lot of fat stubbly perverts in women’s clothing would demand that people be kind and say they look like Megan Markle.
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It's not just old men, most people know that the biological fact is a fact, regardless of whether someone else thinks it's an unkind thing to say.
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Thank goodness for that, I thought you'd all gone soft with this "Jeremy Clarkson is a meanie" thing, but it's refreshing to see you're all still brimming with hate :lol:
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If I put a dress on, Potter, will you call me Margaret and give me a kiss? ;)

PS, brimming with fact, a man in a dress, is a man.
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Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:26 pm Thank goodness for that, I thought you'd all gone soft with this "Jeremy Clarkson is a meanie" thing, but it's refreshing to see you're all still brimming with hate :lol:
I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:37 pm
Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:26 pm Thank goodness for that, I thought you'd all gone soft with this "Jeremy Clarkson is a meanie" thing, but it's refreshing to see you're all still brimming with hate :lol:
I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
Eddie Izzard :wub:
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:37 pm I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
I see what you're saying, you know exactly what kind of man you prefer and you like a big tough manly man, hairy chest and stinking of Brut33.

Grrrr :wub:
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Ant wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:42 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:37 pm
Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:26 pm Thank goodness for that, I thought you'd all gone soft with this "Jeremy Clarkson is a meanie" thing, but it's refreshing to see you're all still brimming with hate :lol:
I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
Eddie Izzard :wub:
He's gone full on trans now but he's not demanding other people conform to his views, he's changed his name and pronouns but says he isn't bothered if other people don't agree with him.
Sounds fine to me.
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Mussels wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:10 pm
Ant wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:42 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:37 pm

I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
Eddie Izzard :wub:
He's gone full on trans now but he's not demanding other people conform to his views, he's changed his name and pronouns but says he isn't bothered if other people don't agree with him.
Sounds fine to me.
He's not doing it properly then. He should be demanding that people identify him as a woman, then shout and scream with rage at anyone who can see a man, in a dress. Then hound people down like they did with JK Rowling, shouting the misinformation they believe in lieu of biological fact.
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Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:53 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:37 pm I don’t do much hating, but if a man wants to earn my respect, pretending to be a woman is a disadvantageous position to start from.
I see what you're saying, you know exactly what kind of man you prefer and you like a big tough manly man, hairy chest and stinking of Brut33.

Grrrr :wub
I know some kinds of man that I don’t respect.
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Ant wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:19 pm ...shouting the misinformation they believe in lieu of biological fact.
It's a biological fact that I'm stronger than the average woman, but if, for the sake of peace, I have to pretend that women are equal to me, then women can pretend that a man in a dress is equal to them.

Otherwise lets just do away with all this nonsense and leave it to how nature intended it to be.
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Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:48 pm It's a biological fact that I'm stronger than the average woman, but if, for the sake of peace, I have to pretend that women are equal to me, then women can pretend that a man in a dress is equal to them.

Otherwise lets just do away with all this nonsense and leave it to how nature intended it to be.
Even I’m bigger and stronger than most women. They are my equals as examples of humanity.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:34 am I hate the word support.

It's all bollox. I don't "support" anybody.
We recently had an interesting article on the company intranet, written by a colleague who is bisexual. The gist being that, contrary to experiences elsewhere, he was simply accepted by us all.

However, could the use of 'support' be meant as 'not being against'?
I do feel strongly that everyone is equal and we all have equal rights.
As an aside, I was surprised to learn that 'equality' actually means 'equity', more towards equitable outcomes rather than equal provision.
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:54 pm They are my equals as examples of humanity.
We all are, even in a dress.
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Wossname wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:58 am
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Saying that, my transport when I was 21 was a Granada 24v Cosworth. It did tend to attract the attention of plod....
It costs a £million for a 21 yo to insure an Aygo in Norn Iron. How did you manage that?

Or….

OK.

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Horse wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:54 pm As an aside, I was surprised to learn that 'equality' actually means 'equity', more towards equitable outcomes rather than equal provision.
It doesn't but it's another definition some people are trying to distort, otherwise we'd have equity laws and the RAF woudn't have been found to be breaching equality laws.
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Potter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:10 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:54 pm They are my equals as examples of humanity.
We all are, even in a dress.
Putting on a frock isn’t a human condition. It’s something people do, for reasons.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:54 pm
As an aside, I was surprised to learn that 'equality' actually means 'equity', more towards equitable outcomes rather than equal provision.
That ^ is the bollox. I am all for equal treatment but equality of outcome means either handicapping the good, or giving the less good an unfair advantage.

Education made that mistake 30 years ago, no competitive sports because otherwise some would lose, examinations became non- competitive ( and dumbed down) so that almost everyone got top grades. Degrees for everyone. We are still suffering today.
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