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Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:49 am
by gremlin
People who email saying, 'We need to have a meeting about this'. So, how's this for a suggestion: instead of emailing, why not just put something in our diaries?
Or would you prefer me to do it so you don't have to...?
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:25 pm
by Yorick
gremlin wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:49 am
People who email saying, 'We need to have a meeting about this'. So, how's this for a suggestion: instead of emailing, why not just put something in our diaries?
Or would you prefer me to do it so you don't have to...?
Have they got very long arms?
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:27 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
gremlin wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:49 am
People who email saying, 'We need to have a meeting about this'. So, how's this for a suggestion: instead of emailing, why not just put something in our diaries?
Or would you prefer me to do it so you don't have to...?
gremlin's next post:
"People who arrange meetings that could have been dealt with in an e-mail".
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
by McNab
People who request read receipts for their emails.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm
by Trinity765
The lack of decent thunderstorms. Don't seem to get them anymore.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:42 pm
by Saga Lout
Trinity765 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm
The lack of decent thunderstorms. Don't seem to get them anymore.
You need to move. Study this...
https://www.lightningmaps.org
... to find out where.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:56 pm
by Wreckless Rat
McNab wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
People who request read receipts for their emails.
What's wrong with that... saves following up with people who allow the response back.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:00 pm
by Mussels
Wreckless Rat wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:56 pm
McNab wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
People who request read receipts for their emails.
What's wrong with that... saves following up with people who allow the response back.
If their emails are so unimportant that people won't bother reading them then they shouldn't send them, usually from sales departments.
Ergo a if a read reciept is requested it's unlikely to be worth reading.
Nobody should allow them by default anyway, it lets scammers see that someone is using the address.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:04 pm
by Wreckless Rat
Mussels wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:00 pm
Wreckless Rat wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:56 pm
McNab wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
People who request read receipts for their emails.
What's wrong with that... saves following up with people who allow the response back.
If their emails are so unimportant that people won't bother reading them then they shouldn't send them, usually from sales departments.
Ergo a if a read reciept is requested it's unlikely to be worth reading.
Nobody should allow them by default anyway, it lets scammers see that someone is using the address.
Well I disagree, but this is RTTL, so best just saying "yes you're right" else risk being accused of MMPP.
But, you're wrong.

Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:12 pm
by Trinity765
Mussels wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:00 pm
Wreckless Rat wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:56 pm
McNab wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
People who request read receipts for their emails.
What's wrong with that... saves following up with people who allow the response back.
If their emails are so unimportant that people won't bother reading them then they shouldn't send them, usually from sales departments.
Ergo a if a read reciept is requested it's unlikely to be worth reading.
Nobody should allow them by default anyway, it lets scammers see that someone is using the address.
No one here reads internal emails regardless of what you put in the subject line or if there is a read receipt *****Top Urgent! Most Important! Response Required !URGENT! EVEN MORE URGENT****. Its not until your manager contacts you and says "Have you seen the email....." that you look it up. I currently have 489 unread emails and they will almost certainly never be read. I don't even read the emails I read, I just pick up a couple of key words and assume the rest. Customer emails are dealt with in strict received date order, again, regardless of read receipts and subject lines.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:55 am
by McNab
Wreckless Rat wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:56 pm
McNab wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 am
People who request read receipts for their emails.
What's wrong with that... saves following up with people who allow the response back.
I doubles my workload.
I have to click on the mail to stop it being marked as unread, and then I have to click
again to say I don't want to send a receipt
Even if I was to send back the read receipt, it doesn't mean I've actually read it.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:26 am
by Wreckless Rat
McNab wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:55 am
Even if I was to send back the read receipt, it doesn't mean I've actually read it.
Nope it doesn't. But that's like saying "no I didn't get that recorded letter I signed for" - it takes the burden off me.
I work with a number of large (£1m+) projects, currently running four with a dabble in a fifth and when projects get to red status I'll request both a delivery and read receipt. I don't give a monkeys if some are offended by this. It saves me a bucket load of chasing. I don't use them on every email, but I do use them on critical emails. Perfect, no, as not everyone allows read receipts, but id guess about 85/90% of people do.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:34 am
by Mr. Dazzle
I've just checked....
I have worked my current job about 6 months and I've received a total of 402 e-mails, most of which are generic BS not directed at me specifically. I've got nothing unread.
I've worked hard to cultivate my air of being unapproachable.

Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:48 am
by Wreckless Rat
Potter wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:35 am
Wreckless Rat wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:26 am
McNab wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:55 am
Even if I was to send back the read receipt, it doesn't mean I've actually read it.
Nope it doesn't. But that's like saying "no I didn't get that recorded letter I signed for" - it takes the burden off me.
I work with a number of large (£1m+) projects, currently running four with a dabble in a fifth and when projects get to red status I'll request both a delivery and read receipt. I don't give a monkeys if some are offended by this. It saves me a bucket load of chasing. I don't use them on every email, but I do use them on critical emails. Perfect, no, as not everyone allows read receipts, but id guess about 85/90% of people do.
IME some of the people that demand you respond to their email are the sort of people that think sending an email absolves them of any further responsibility, they just want to offload it to the next person. With these people I usually acknowledge their email but then I ask them to do something before I do the thing that they want me to do, if that means they have to do work then they go away.
Perhaps that says more about the people you work with than anything.
If there is a RAG status that is important to publish, or a change of scope, potential delayed work incurring penalties, its not my job to do anything other than notify those that need to know. It's handy to know if they have read it.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:15 pm
by Jody
Taps being backwards
Not only are they the wrong way round (hot on the left) but they also operate backwards, clockwise to turn on !!
It's madness, madness I tell you
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:20 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
Jody wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:15 pm
It's madness, madness I tell you
A few years ago I had one of British Cyclings Olympic bikes in my hands for benchmark testing. This was on the frames they used to Beijing and London and could well have won a medal, so I was obviously treating it with some caution.
I was trying to get the bottom bracket undone so that I could mount it in a rig. They'd provided the special tool that mates with it and I was there for quite some time trying to undo it, pushing harder and harder ever mindful of damaging the bike.
In the end I gave up and rang the techy guy at British Cycling.
"Its a left hand thread" says he.

Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:26 pm
by Yorick
Jody wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:15 pm
Taps being backwards
Not only are they the wrong way round (hot on the left) but they also operate backwards, clockwise to turn on !!
It's madness, madness I tell you
Pedal bikes have the brakes swapped over. Bought a couple when we first moved here. After lifetime of front brake on right on cycles and motorcycles it was almost impossible for brain to swap. So had to change them around.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:45 pm
by Wreckless Rat
Potter wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:00 pm
Wreckless Rat wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:48 am
Perhaps that says more about the people you work with than anything.
If there is a RAG status that is important to publish, or a change of scope, potential delayed work incurring penalties, its not my job to do anything other than notify those that need to know. It's handy to know if they have read it.
Fair enough, I can see why you'd be annoyed at being ignored
For me, it's more about knowing people have read your warnings they will be incurring delay charges, or that the extra work that has been requested comes at a cost etc. If I can see Bob has read it, I couldn't give a monkeys if he was nailing his secretary over the table and accidentally "opened" the email, I have a read receipt of him being notified. I'm not a PA.... I run multiple pretty large projects at any one time, I don't have the time nor inclination to chase people to read their emails
It would be nice for all such things to go to the project board for open discussion, but let's be real, no project runs like that really.
Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:50 pm
by Yorick
I often sent emails just to cover my arse. I didn't care if they were ever read. Just my sending was enough

Re: Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:57 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
As they say....the only thing better than doing the right thing is having a paper trail of doing the right thing.