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mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:17 pm
irie wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:32 pmTrump is fücked.
I've handled a variety of top secret stuff and that could be a large exaggeration, it's impossible to tell.
As it's been shown Biden broke the same law I'm expecting him to recieve the same treatment because it's starting to look like witch hunt now.
Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
Bidens papers were from when he was VP, same rules, same situation.
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Another bare link? C'mon put a bit of effort in!
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Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:30 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:17 pm
I've handled a variety of top secret stuff and that could be a large exaggeration, it's impossible to tell.
As it's been shown Biden broke the same law I'm expecting him to recieve the same treatment because it's starting to look like witch hunt now.
Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
Bidens papers were from when he was VP, same rules, same situation.
Biden's papers were locked away; some of Trump's were in a shower, others on a stage.

IIRC Biden's attorneys reported the find and handed them in. Trump's were found during an official search and, allegedly, he was showing them to other people.

If so, not quite the same situation.
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Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:30 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:17 pm
I've handled a variety of top secret stuff and that could be a large exaggeration, it's impossible to tell.
As it's been shown Biden broke the same law I'm expecting him to recieve the same treatment because it's starting to look like witch hunt now.
Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
Bidens papers were from when he was VP, same rules, same situation.
Nope - he was still 'in office'. Trump is an ex-POTUS with a load of highly sensitive nuclear-related documents he's been hiding from the investigators.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
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Both of them had left office and kept papers they shouldn't have in unsecure locations. Apart from the way they were discovered I don't see the difference, that Biden became Potus after the fact is a bit irrelevant.

Probably all previous presidents and VPs are guilty of this but we know both of these have done it.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:37 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:30 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm

Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
Bidens papers were from when he was VP, same rules, same situation.
Biden's papers were locked away; some of Trump's were in a shower, others on a stage.

IIRC Biden's attorneys reported the find and handed them in. Trump's were found during an official search and, allegedly, he was showing them to other people.

If so, not quite the same situation.
Biden stole some of the documents when he was merely a Senator. They're STILL finding stuff Biden took. Trumps stuff was all inside his house, Bidens stuff is spread across at least 3 States.
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ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:52 pmTrumps stuff was all inside his house,
Yup, pictures made public.

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Maybe my wife is wrong and I could cut it as a diplomat.
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Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:22 pm Maybe my wife is wrong and I could cut it as a diplomat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-65867104
BBC wrote:According to the AFP news agency, Mr Tigau said "the African group has joined us" when he saw a monkey outside a window.
He'll be ok, he'll get a position in the Labour part with his track record.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:03 pm Male reindeer typically lose their antlers by early December, but females keep theirs later. So Rudolph was female too.

Or Rudolph was not typical.
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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:06 pm
Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:03 pm Male reindeer typically lose their antlers by early December, but females keep theirs later. So Rudolph was female too.

Or Rudolph was not typical.
Certainly he and the sleigh didn't comply with vehicle lighting regulations which permit only white light to the front.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:40 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:06 pm
Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:03 pm Male reindeer typically lose their antlers by early December, but females keep theirs later. So Rudolph was female too.

Or Rudolph was not typical.
Certainly he and the sleigh didn't comply with vehicle lighting regulations which permit only white light to the front.
They’re bound to break the law somewhere along their route.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:17 pm
irie wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:32 pmTrump is fücked.
I've handled a variety of top secret stuff and that could be a large exaggeration, it's impossible to tell.
As it's been shown Biden broke the same law I'm expecting him to recieve the same treatment because it's starting to look like witch hunt now.
Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
No there is a critical difference. A president can declassify documents at his whim. If he says it's no longer classified it no longer is. So Trump kept a load of interesting documents like a signed note from Kim Jon Il.

Biden on the other hand had (has?) a MASSIVE hoard of classified documents ( pallet loads by all accounts) spread all over the place. One of them in a garage at one of his many homes another trove of documents curiously "stored" at a CCP sponsored university.

I guess my "don't walk on the grass" spoof was too subtle. The only reason the entire apparatus of state authority has been weaponised against Trump is to stop him from becoming president again. It's only other purpose appears to be to protect the Biden mafia from prosecution for the incredible and rather obvious corrupt activities he has been involved in and continues to be perpetrating.

Beggars belief that they can keep getting away with the extraordinary persecution of a political opponent in this modern enlightened era where we can all see what they are doing (if we would only look). On the other hand if the long arm of the law ever reaches out for the Bidens, they're in deep shit.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:15 pm
ZRX61 wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:52 pmTrumps stuff was all inside his house,
Yup, pictures made public.

US media are still using the staged pics from the raid on his home
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Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

So, if he hasn't followed procedures the documents aren't declassified, ergo he's in the soup. (Ditto Biden - just because 2 people commit a crime or make a very serious procedural error it doesn't make one of them less guilty. If neither of them can stand again, fine. :thumbup: )
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As is often the case, its not as simple as "I can make it legal coz I is in charge". I saw this vid when the story first broke.



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Screwdriver wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:49 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm
Mussels wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:17 pm
I've handled a variety of top secret stuff and that could be a large exaggeration, it's impossible to tell.
As it's been shown Biden broke the same law I'm expecting him to recieve the same treatment because it's starting to look like witch hunt now.
Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
No there is a critical difference. A president can declassify documents at his whim. If he says it's no longer classified it no longer is. So Trump kept a load of interesting documents like a signed note from Kim Jon Il.
You are (deliberately?) ignoring my point. For a start we're not talking about fanmail from a fuckwit, we're talking about nuclear-related documents. And Trump had these documents when he was no longer POTUS (which is the kicker) whereas Biden is still, last time I checked, the current POTUS and can (as you say) declassify documents on a whim.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:14 pm
Screwdriver wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:49 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:24 pm

Surely the crucial difference is that one is a current POTUS and the other is a former POTUS. When you leave office you lose all the privileges and entitlements.
No there is a critical difference. A president can declassify documents at his whim. If he says it's no longer classified it no longer is. So Trump kept a load of interesting documents like a signed note from Kim Jon Il.
You are (deliberately?) ignoring my point. For a start we're not talking about fanmail from a fuckwit, we're talking about nuclear-related documents. And Trump had these documents when he was no longer POTUS (which is the kicker) whereas Biden is still, last time I checked, the current POTUS and can (as you say) declassify documents on a whim.
Biden had classified documents from his VP days so they were in his posession after he left office, he's every bit as guitly as Trump.
I've no desire to see Trump's charges dropped but until they are treated equally this stinks of corruption.
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I do kinda wonder if they all do it :lol:. Lock her up and all that. Our own home secretary is guilty too. How many classified documents get left on trains?

Just being a bit dim like.

Although PMSL at the alleged instances of Trump showing his mates classified military news. This is like that time he Tweeted a photo from America's most advanced spy satellites, revealing just how good they are. He's just a bit thick sometimes.