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[Greenman]

I believe the world is run by evil space lizards, unfortunately there's no way of proving this as it's all covered up, but David Icke wrote books about it, so it must be true.

Your such a tool sometimes. Borderline childish tbh.

[Count Steer]

There are more than three times as many Labour supporters as there are Conservatives and I suspect a fair few who aren't voting Labour are only doing it because they can't stand Starmer and Rayner.

Or they live in an area where the Labour candidate doesn't stand a cat in hells chance?

The question was about a GE.

And even then, Corbyn didn't stand a cat in hells chance but some of you voted for that crackpot

The only thing that will happen in this area if the Labour candidate polls well is it'll split the vote and my (Conservative MP) neighbour will get back in.

My Borough Council has 50 seats.....2 of which are Labour. A Resident's Group + Independents combined have 50% more than the Conservatives though. Lib Dems are the largest group but the Conservatives used to be. It is/was a 'Blue Wall' sort of place. I don't think many voters chose the Labour candidate when Corbyn was leader and I don't think many will at the next GE either.

The last place I lived where they ever chose the Labour candidate, the candidate was Glenda Jackson.

[KungFooBob]

I believe the world is run by evil space lizards, unfortunately there's no way of proving this as it's all covered up, but David Icke wrote books about it, so it must be true.

You're such a tool sometimes. Borderline childish tbh.

Only borderline!

I must try harder.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I believe the world is run by evil space lizards, unfortunately there's no way of proving this as it's all covered up, but David Icke wrote books about it, so it must be true.

Your such a tool sometimes. Borderline childish tbh.

It's an internet forum, we're not solving the World's problems, a bit of levity makes the whole thing a lot more entertaining.

Personally I'd like to see mad, Nad and dangerous to know pole dancing.

[JamJar]

I didn't vote for Corbyn, but I will be voting for labour, does that mean I'm hard left? I'm so confused?

You're not alone, most of the people voting don't understand what they're voting for.

You wound me sir.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Unfortunately there is no real way of proving this as it's all covered up, but ex con MP's coming about and naming those in parliament saying there are a small number of people who actually run the country is quite a hint that it's happening,

I take it you've never seen Yes Minister

The thought that there are unelected people running the show behind the scenes is/was well enough established that there was a satirical mainstream comedy about it >40 years ago.

[cheb]

A ratio of 10:3 Labour to Conservative votes in a poll and this isn't seen as left leaning.

Any other time and there'd cheering and shouts of Death to the Torry vermin.

Curious.

[Count Steer]

A ratio of 10:3 Labour to Conservative votes in a poll and this isn't seen as left leaning.

Any other time and there'd cheering and shouts of Death to the Torry vermin.

Curious.

10:5 really. You forgot the Farage votes. 10:8 if you believe that the Liberal 'Yellow Book' still applies (it was written in 1928 though ).

[gremlin]

Before I waste a vote on Farage I need to see how he performs on 'I'm a Celebrity...'.

[cheb]

A ratio of 10:3 Labour to Conservative votes in a poll and this isn't seen as left leaning.

Any other time and there'd cheering and shouts of Death to the Torry vermin.

Curious.

10:5 really. You forgot the Farage votes. 10:8 if you believe that the Liberal 'Yellow Book' still applies (it was written in 1928 though ).

Farage was a one trick pony, and both Labour and the Conservatives had a referendum in their manifesto* so I'm ignoring him as not being left nor right.

The Liberals have always been a protest vote so they can be ignored too.

*It still amuses me the shit that's thrown at Cameron for actually doing what was in their manifesto. I mean actually listening to what the people wanted. Where will it end?

[Yorick]

Before I waste a vote on Farage I need to see how he performs on 'I'm a Celebrity...'.

I usually watch that, but not if he's in it.

[Mr. Dazzle]

*It still amuses me the shit that's thrown at Cameron for actually doing what was in their manifesto. I mean actually listening to what the people wanted. Where will it end?

"Cameron fucked the country and then left".

Pretty sure he didn't set the outcome of the referendum vote, the voters did that, but I dunno - could be that I'm a sheep

[Count Steer]

A ratio of 10:3 Labour to Conservative votes in a poll and this isn't seen as left leaning.

Any other time and there'd cheering and shouts of Death to the Torry vermin.

Curious.

10:5 really. You forgot the Farage votes. 10:8 if you believe that the Liberal 'Yellow Book' still applies (it was written in 1928 though ).

Farage was a one trick pony, and both Labour and the Conservatives had a referendum in their manifesto* so I'm ignoring him as not being left nor right.

The Liberals have always been a protest vote so they can be ignored too.

Err Gladstone, Asquith, David Lloyd George. They did go into the doldrums after WW1 though. At their core though they were quite right wing being Whigs, Peelites and radical reformists. They weren't always the muddle they are today. They remained popular in areas of Scotland for a while though.

[gremlin]

As I recall he was not-at-all 'nice and Brexity'. Quite the opposite. He just failed to convince the majority of the public that remaining was a good idea.

[cheb]

10:5 really. You forgot the Farage votes. 10:8 if you believe that the Liberal 'Yellow Book' still applies (it was written in 1928 though ).

Farage was a one trick pony, and both Labour and the Conservatives had a referendum in their manifesto* so I'm ignoring him as not being left nor right.

The Liberals have always been a protest vote so they can be ignored too.

Err Gladstone, Asquith, David Lloyd George. They did go into the doldrums after WW1 though. At their core though they were quite right wing being Whigs, Peelites and radical reformists. They weren't always the muddle they are today. They remained popular in areas of Scotland for a while though.

I've not yet forgiven them for the window tax. Daylight robbery that was.

[Mr. Dazzle]

IMO Cameron messed up because he didn't have a plan, he thought that Brexit wouldn't happen and he didn't have a plan for in case it went that way in the vote. His only option was to pack up and run.

If you run a business and you throw it open to potential major trauma via a vote, but don't have a plan for what happens afterwards, then you've failed.
Farage was the same really, he knew which way it would go but still didn't have a plan.

Fuck off, collect salary, work the after dinner circuit for a while, come back and Lord it up as Foreign Secretary and collect more salary once Boris is dead.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Oh and get Farage de-banked while you're not busy

[gremlin]

Fuck off, collect salary, work the after dinner circuit for a while, come back and Lord it up as Foreign Secretary and collect more salary once Boris is dead.

His success mocks all our failures.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I met Dave the Rave when he was trying to convince us to all vote Stay!, he wasn't convincing, and gave off the air of not caring which way the vote went.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I met him when he visited our office/factory - he was PM at the time but also our MP.

I studiously ignored him while my bosses explained the process I was doing on a test rig He didn't once mention Brexit, not even a little bit, and this was in early 2016.

[mangocrazy]

IMO Cameron messed up because he didn't have a plan, he thought that Brexit wouldn't happen and he didn't have a plan for in case it went that way in the vote. His only option was to pack up and run.

If you run a business and you throw it open to potential major trauma via a vote, but don't have a plan for what happens afterwards, then you've failed.
Farage was the same really, he knew which way it would go but still didn't have a plan.

Yes, all that, but Dodgy Dave's major oversight was not setting a percentage threshold that Leave had to reach to change our EU status. 55% would have done it.