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@Taipan
This one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B9BX55MT? ... HE7BZCX188

I've got a couple of these:

https://uk.crosstourtech.com/products/c ... ion-camera

One's been in use since 2018, the other I bought in 2021 for the car but I don't think I've actually used it.

Decent quality recording, battery life is OK for short rides (I get around two hours footage of a training course) and the mounts are fine.

Only problem I have had is with the case steaming up if I sit with the engine running for a minute or two.

v8-powered wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:19 am Fella I know was prosecuted off the back of someone else's cam footage.
In a group ride he popped a wheelie coming off a roundabout, someone else in the group then swerved across his path and he clattered in to them. They came off and he ended up with a years ban.....

I did a drivers awareness course the other day. In group discussion, people were saying about the number of cameras increasing all the time. The instructor said its not our cameras you have to worry about. She claimed a lot more prosections come from clips sent in!

I'm a bit "meh" on people getting done over dash cam footage.

Illegal behaviour is illegal behaviour IMO. Just because it's harder to get away with doesn't make it any more/less legal than it's ever been right?

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:16 am I'm a bit "meh" on people getting done over dash cam footage.

Illegal behaviour is illegal behaviour IMO. Just because it's harder to get away with doesn't make it any more/less legal than it's ever been right?

Me to. But on the basis that if I think everyone has a camera I'll never speed. And yeah, that ain't happening. So I'll ride as I always have and hope to get away with it. TBH my speed is fairly modest nowadays though. I did 94mph in 152 miles the other day and that was only as I was playing with wind blast from my screen. 20 years ago I'd have done 152 mph in 9 miles

I don’t think speeding is the main issue, it’s the overtake in to a small gap while hitting your brakes causing the guy you’ve overtaken to have to slow will probably have you appearing on you’ve been framed.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:16 am I'm a bit "meh" on people getting done over dash cam footage.

Illegal behaviour is illegal behaviour IMO. Just because it's harder to get away with doesn't make it any more/less legal than it's ever been right?

Watching some of the guerrilla cyclists clips which proudly proclaim that another driver has been given a lesson in safety thanks to their clip sent to the local plod, some of the videos almost seem to be 'set-ups' deliberately aimed at getting drivers nicked.

I watched on some days back where there the rider was in a cycle lane which has been segregated behind poles, but decided to move out of the cycle lane into what was left of the carriageway to pass some slower cyclists. And predictably really, a van passed a bit close. Not brushing his elbow but less than the new HC guidelines.

He sent the vid off, apparently the van driver received a NIP in the post.

The cyclist was very pleased with himself, saying how it was impatient drivers like that who put cyclists at risk...

...neatly ignoring the irony that if he'd been patient enough to follow the slower riders he wouldn't have put himself in the situation where the van driver overtook him!

Taipan wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:49 am

v8-powered wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:19 am Fella I know was prosecuted off the back of someone else's cam footage.
In a group ride he popped a wheelie coming off a roundabout, someone else in the group then swerved across his path and he clattered in to them. They came off and he ended up with a years ban.....

I did a drivers awareness course the other day. In group discussion, people were saying about the number of cameras increasing all the time. The instructor said its not our cameras you have to worry about. She claimed a lot more prosections come from clips sent in!

Obviously those dash cams are calibrated like the official speed cameras have to be and there's a traceable record to show that the footage hasn't been tampered with?

Any half way reasonable lawyer could poke a hole in any attempted conviction from dash cam footage.

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:24 pm
Obviously those dash cams are calibrated like the official speed cameras have to be and there's a traceable record to show that the footage hasn't been tampered with?

Speed can usually be determined by counting white line markings (painted at defined lengths and spacing) over time (video frame rate).

IIRC police ask for full, original, video files to be uploaded.

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:24 pm

Taipan wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:49 am

v8-powered wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:19 am Fella I know was prosecuted off the back of someone else's cam footage.
In a group ride he popped a wheelie coming off a roundabout, someone else in the group then swerved across his path and he clattered in to them. They came off and he ended up with a years ban.....

I did a drivers awareness course the other day. In group discussion, people were saying about the number of cameras increasing all the time. The instructor said its not our cameras you have to worry about. She claimed a lot more prosections come from clips sent in!

Obviously those dash cams are calibrated like the official speed cameras have to be and there's a traceable record to show that the footage hasn't been tampered with?

Any half way reasonable lawyer could poke a hole in any attempted conviction from dash cam footage.

Dunno. Thats what the trainer said. I cant remember the % amounts, but the prosecutions from submitted footage from the public far outstrips the official cameras. Who knows, she could have been scaremongering, but thats what she said!

Any half way reasonable lawyer could poke a hole in any attempted conviction from dash cam footage.

Only time I've been at a court hearing, policeman there told me it's always worth contesting a charge as more often than not you can get off on a technicality, especially if you do your own research (coz no one else will have). The difficulty with camera clips is you won't know until after the event, so won't be able to counter evidence so easily.

Dickyboy wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:47 pm

Any half way reasonable lawyer could poke a hole in any attempted conviction from dash cam footage.

Only time I've been at a court hearing, policeman there told me it's always worth contesting a charge as more often than not you can get off on a technicality, especially if you do your own research (coz no one else will have). The difficulty with camera clips is you won't know until after the event, so won't be able to counter evidence so easily.

We have CCTV and our own Police Force at work, we have to write protect, watermark and encrypt the video footage for it to be used at evidence, if I were to go to court based on dash cam footage the first thing I would do would be to ask for proof it hadn't been tampered with, and the last thing I would do is admit to anything on the footage, I suspect most people see the footage and admit guilt.

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:53 pm I suspect most people see the footage and admit guilt.

Footage confiscated at the scene of, for instance, someone wheelying and skittling another rider could be a tad difficult to dispute.

Horse wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:31 pm

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:53 pm I suspect most people see the footage and admit guilt.

Footage confiscated at the scene of, for instance, someone wheelying and skittling another rider could be a tad difficult to dispute.

Agreed, I was thinking of the stuff that's sent in by people to the police, which has made me think of something else - are the police really spending they're time watching this drivel when there are real crimes to investigate?

I received a NIP for Driving Without Due Care And Attention. It said the offence occurred between Junction 8 and 7 of the M11 at xx hours on xx date. Yes, I was on the road at that time, and on my employers VFR800

There are (or at least then were) no law enforcement cameras on that 10 mile stretch. If the police had seen me, then they would have pulled me. I can only assume whatever I did was captured by someone with a dashcam, who took exception to what ever it was I did.

Worse still was there was no photo attached. The NIP said I could plead guilty and get fine and receive 3 points. Or I could pay £×× and take an awareness course. Or I could challenge this in court, in which case I would be provided with evidence of my misdemeanour 3 weeks before a court hearing. Seeing as the description of the offence covers so much, I took the course.

I'm still very bitter about this. It was probably a video of me riding down tye empty inside lane, passing other vehicles doin 60 mph in tye second and third lane, rather than actually doing something dangerous.

Grassed up by someone jealous that other road users do this, no doubt.

Whysub wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:56 pm I received a NIP for Driving Without Due Care And Attention. It said the offence occurred between Junction 8 and 7 of the M11 at xx hours on xx date. Yes, I was on the road at that time, and on my employers VFR800

How did they know it was you? I assume you had to book the vehicle out and they'd checked the record. Surprised your employer didn't warn you of incoming bother.

Yes, employer had to supply my name to the police, as is the law. I had booked the bike out from the garage, and it all tallied with my ride which I had entered in the log for the bike.

Some dozy bint in the office initially told me it was Dangerous Driving.

I immediately contacted a solicitor, who told me a ban was highly likely, so I was in quite a panic for a few hours until someone else in the office said it was Driving Without Due Care.

Whysub wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:29 pm Yes, employer had to supply my name to the police, as is the law. I had booked the bike out from the garage, and it all tallied with my ride which I had entered in the log for the bike.

Some dozy bint in the office initially told me it was Dangerous Driving.

I immediately contacted a solicitor, who told me a ban was highly likely, so I was in quite a panic for a few hours until someone else in the office said it was Driving Without Due Care.

Bonkers really, I imagine you were actually riding with more care and attention than the dozy git sitting in the middle lane that dobbed you in. I hate the Centre Lane Owners Club.

Whysub wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:29 pm Yes, employer had to supply my name to the police, as is the law. I had booked the bike out from the garage, and it all tallied with my ride which I had entered in the log for the bike.

Some dozy bint in the office initially told me it was Dangerous Driving.

I immediately contacted a solicitor, who told me a ban was highly likely, so I was in quite a panic for a few hours until someone else in the office said it was Driving Without Due Care.

When I got caught the other day, for blatting it through the lower gears in the tunnel on Upper Thames St, the cop obviously couldn't time me and get for speeding, so as I crossed the unbroken white lines (I did) and he said I undertook a vehicle (I didn't), he went for careless driving. Years ago it would have been a bollacking, but now they have encompassing charges that seem to only require them saying it happened and your options to challenge are loaded. It was an empty tunnel with no one else in it, not down the high street with a danger of pedestrians stepping out in front of me etc, but, its their game with their rules. He was bloody furious to start with, although he calmed down as I never back chatted and was respectful with my replies, and he was almost amicable at the end, but I came away with a bit less respect for Plod than I had before. I'm still an avid supporter of the Police mind, and in his defence I did learn something from the awareness course. D'oh!

Taipan wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:51 pm

Whysub wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:29 pm Yes, employer had to supply my name to the police, as is the law. I had booked the bike out from the garage, and it all tallied with my ride which I had entered in the log for the bike.

Some dozy bint in the office initially told me it was Dangerous Driving.

I immediately contacted a solicitor, who told me a ban was highly likely, so I was in quite a panic for a few hours until someone else in the office said it was Driving Without Due Care.

When I got caught the other day, for blatting it through the lower gears in the tunnel on Upper Thames St, the cop obviously couldn't time me and get for speeding, so as I crossed the unbroken white lines (I did) and he said I undertook a vehicle (I didn't), he went for careless driving. Years ago it would have been a bollacking, but now they have encompassing charges that seem to only require them saying it happened and your options to challenge are loaded. It was an empty tunnel with no one else in it, not down the high street with a danger of pedestrians stepping out in front of me etc, but, its their game with their rules. He was bloody furious to start with, although he calmed down as I never back chatted and was respectful with my replies, and he was almost amicable at the end, but I came away with a bit less respect for Plod than I had before. I'm still an avid supporter of the Police mind, and in his defence I did learn something from the awareness course. D'oh!

Bloody kids nowadays. No respect for the law. Etc.