Dogs and MTBs.. what would you have done ?

[Skub]

He'll be back shortly to answer. He's busy shoving car drivers into the gas chamber.

If we could do that on the days I'm not driving,it would make the roads nice and quiet when I am. TIA

[porter_jamie]

Yeah hanging a bit harsh but I think they should be punished properly. I feel sorry for the dogs as they haven't been trained and socialised correctly and may have to pay the ultimate price for it.
Fyi I'm out walking my black lab right now. If be even raised a lip at someone I would be absolutely mortified, embarrassed and also terrified the cops would come and take him away. Luckily he is as soft as shit and my missus has spent hours and hours with him training. Still don't trust him 100% obviously.
My old dog would run over to mtbers only because he used to come out with us when we cycled sometimes and he thought he might get a treat. Dealing with one dog attacking you must be fairly grim but two must have been frightening. If the owners weren't fuckpigs they would have been on the lead and or muzzled.

[Mr Moofo]

Does anyone have an update?

[Jody]

I understand why the owners might have the dogs off the lead. Maybe they've been training them for weeks and this was a first test. I don't think you can train a dog to be off lead without letting it off lead !?

EDIT Having re watched the video there seemed to be very little calling of the dogs by their names ???? which suggests very little training imo.

However, no collars is bad. The owners not being physically capable of grabbing their dogs and removing them is inexcusable. Irrespective if it's due to lack of collars or lack of physical ability of the owners.

Finally, the owners should have been much more apologetic, much earlier on. By the end of it they should have been grovelling apologies to the bike rider.

[Ant]

That's a bit tame and softly spoken, loud firm shouting with some authority is what most people would have done. The owners reacted like wet lettuces also.

[Hoonercat]

From the jackets they were wearing 2 mins on FB finds the owner

https://www.facebook.com/walter.surgeon/about

Wonder if the rider has reported them ?

And his missus

https://www.facebook.com/Traceynewbus

Assuming they are the people in the video, they don't own the pups, they're fostering them from a Malinois rescue. Off-lead with no collars, I've no doubt the rescue will be extremely pissed off if they get to hear about this incident. Would have been so much easier to control the dogs if they had collars on. The bloke on the bike deserves a lot of credit, kicking them would have made matters worse for him.

[Taipan]

From the jackets they were wearing 2 mins on FB finds the owner

https://www.facebook.com/walter.surgeon/about

Wonder if the rider has reported them ?

And his missus

https://www.facebook.com/Traceynewbus

Assuming they are the people in the video, they don't own the pups, they're fostering them from a Malinois rescue. Off-lead with no collars, I've no doubt the rescue will be extremely pissed off if they get to hear about this incident. Would have been so much easier to control the dogs if they had collars on. The bloke on the bike deserves a lot of credit, kicking them would have made matters worse for him.

So well intentioned animal lovers, but with no proper experience of handling potentially dangerous dogs. It does explain their lack of attempt at recall or instruction, just hasty grabbing! The rescue centre should bear some responsibility here. Dogs should be properly assessed before being fostered or let out with anyone.

[Hoonercat]

From the rescue centre's FB page:

No point beating about the bush....
You don't want your poorly bred unstable unsociable reactive nervous sometimes aggressive destructive untrained working line malinois pet
Sorry neither do we

Errr...

[Hoonercat]

From the jackets they were wearing 2 mins on FB finds the owner

https://www.facebook.com/walter.surgeon/about

Wonder if the rider has reported them ?

And his missus

https://www.facebook.com/Traceynewbus

Assuming they are the people in the video, they don't own the pups, they're fostering them from a Malinois rescue. Off-lead with no collars, I've no doubt the rescue will be extremely pissed off if they get to hear about this incident. Would have been so much easier to control the dogs if they had collars on. The bloke on the bike deserves a lot of credit, kicking them would have made matters worse for him.

So well intentioned animal lovers, but with no proper experience of handling potentially dangerous dogs. It does explain their lack of attempt at recall or instruction, just hasty grabbing! The rescue centre should bear some responsibility here. Dogs should be properly assessed before being fostered or let out with anyone.

You can't assess a dog for every situation, especially puppies who's traits may not appear until they've grown a bit. You have to rely on the fosters for that, but unfortunately many overstate their experience and capabilities. The rescue I used to volunteer at had a strict on-lead policy but many fosters thought they knew better and took the piss. We had to come up with ways of catching them out before we agreed to a foster or adoption. We had a 70-question application form and followed it up with a long phone call where we'd throw in a question about, for example, being near a busy road or seeing other dogs approaching only to hear 'I'd put him straight back on the lead'. This was despite having agreed to keep the dog on-lead earlier in the conversation as well as on the foster agreement form.

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[Hoonercat]

Hard to say what I would have done, you never know until you're in the fight and then it's largely dictated by what the dog does if it holds on and you're bigger than the dog then fall on it to hold it down with your weight and gouge it's eye out, properly, you have to really go for it, or if you can control it's body then kneel on it with both knees to try and break it's ribs, then try and snap one of it's legs by ripping it at an angle it won't naturally bend at.

So your suggestion is to put your face, throat and chest within biting distance of an animal that is now fighting for its life and is more than capable of wriggling out of any hold in a few seconds? Or maybe you think the dog will lie still while you're trying to break its ribs or gouge out its eyes? And while you're busy doing that,what do you think the other two dogs would have done?

You can choke them out apparently, but if you do then you have to completely kill it or it will come round and go straight back to attack

Jesus wept do you actually believe this nonsense?
As for choking them out, you mean MMA style arm around the throat? You might want to consider where your head and face would be in relation to the mouth of a dog that's fighting for its life...

The bloke in the video ended up with a couple of teeth marks and ripped clothing. I can't help but feel that had he employed your suggestions, he'd have come out of it much worse off...

[Count Steer]

The bloke in the video ended up with a couple of teeth marks and ripped clothing. I can't help but feel that had he employed your suggestions, he'd have come out of it much worse off...

He's a lean, mean killing machine y'know. Even his little fingers were included in the START treaty. Poodles tremble at his approach and eyeless chihuahuas shake their heads ruefully in memory of their encounter.

[Hoonercat]

The bloke in the video ended up with a couple of teeth marks and ripped clothing. I can't help but feel that had he employed your suggestions, he'd have come out of it much worse off...

The bloke in the video was lucky they were puppies and the other dog wasn't interested, that's all, he didn't "do the right thing", he did nothing because he was overwhelmed and pure luck got him out of it.

I was talking in general, as far as I know the current training to try and defeat a dog intent on killing you is to use the methods I mentioned. It's been used to good effect. If it's multiple dogs and you're unarmed then you're probably going to die.
Like I said, there are no magic moves, you've just have to do what you can - and standing still whilst they kill you is less of a good option.

These dogs are a pure menace and should be banned, euthanised and discussed no more in any civilised society.
These morons in rescue centres trying to home them should be stopped, it's reckless, and anyone wanting to own one is an egotistical idiot.

The other dog instigated the attack. The guy made an updated video in which he says that he thinks the other dog was the one that initially bit him (out of camera shot) before moving away. He also says that he made a conscious decision to stay as calm as possible, believing the handlers would quickly take control of the dogs. It's quite possible that the guy remaining as calm as possible was the reason the other dog lost interest (not a threat) though equally possible that it moved away due to its owner commands.

At the start of the vid the woman is panicking "Please stop, please stop!" That suggests that she knows, or at the very least suspects, that one or more of the dogs will react badly. To my eye, the pups are doing what most would do, following the lead of the older dog, ie it's the reaction of the older dog that sets them off, not the presence of a stranger. I could be completely of course, but there are several vids of these 2 pups off-lead and their recall is excellent. Also seen vids of them in a very large secure field, so no reason for needing to have them off-lead in public, especially if there are concerns about how one or more will react to strangers.

As if the fosters haven't already been irresponsible enough, it appears that they didn't tell the rescue about the incident (though they did give the guy their personel details). It seems these two would rather keep quiet about the incident to save themselves some embarrassment, rather than tell the rescue that they're trying to rehome 2 pups that have bitten someone.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I'm going to make a sensible suggestion, carry a can of WD40 and squirt it in the dogs eyes if you are attacked.

[Rockburner]

I'm going to make a sensible suggestion, carry a can of WD40 and squirt it in the dogs eyes if you are attacked.

hmm - bit difficult to use in a hurry unless you carry it in a shoulder holster or something....



you can't exactly tell the dogs to pause and have a moment's patience while you dig the can out from your rucksack....

[Pirahna]

I'm going to make a sensible suggestion, carry a can of WD40 and squirt it in the dogs eyes if you are attacked.

Three dog encounters yesterday, one big fluffy cunt that was more of getting knocked off hazzard than a bitey one. About a mile further on an alsatian and some other big thing off the lead which led to a lot of shouting before the owners got them under control. It seems just about every house here has a guard dog or two which sometimes get out, they're mostly proper nasty looking things too. Which got me thinking, I'll be shopping later this week, I'll pick up some pepper spray as it's legal here.

[Hoonercat]

A bar-mounted airhorn might be a useful addition.

[Rockburner]

A bar-mounted airhorn might be a useful addition.

I'm never sure that overloading an already stressed system (ie deafening an upset dog (or anything tbh)) is really going to get you anywhere - except maybe pissing it off even more?

[DefTrap]

A bar-mounted airhorn might be a useful addition.

It sounds like a Barbara Woodhouse solution.
The first one being repeatedly choking and boring it to death obviously.

[Hoonercat]

A bar-mounted airhorn might be a useful addition.

I'm never sure that overloading an already stressed system (ie deafening an upset dog (or anything tbh)) is really going to get you anywhere - except maybe pissing it off even more?

Apparently not
https://www.amazon.com/SAFETY-SPORT-DOG ... ll_reviews

[demographic]

Dog owners and smokers innit? Both totally oblivious as to how their actions effect others.

Who else can I tar with this massive brush?

Cyclists!

Aye, they just cycle all over the pavements, through red lights and over the footpaths on the fells
Should set the bloody hound on them.