NHS Crisis, do the French have the solution?!

[weeksy]

That makes it alright then. Let's scoop off 25m for some private contacts since it's only loose change....

So, how much do you think they should spend? I assume £0 because either a) you think there aren't any problems that need attention or b) you'd prefer that people with issues had no access to professional services.

So, what should the budget be?

People with these issues used to get help. Now they can get their bits messed about with at our expense whilst forcing their views upon us. See the men who compete in women's sport and the arguement surrounding JK Rowling.

So lets assume in this ideal world, 'they just need help' then surely there's a therapy cost for that ? Psychologists etc .... Is that allowed ? Or is it only surgical treatment that's not acceptable ?

[Yambo]

TBH, if you're looking for savings, £25m is down the back of the sofa stuff. I assume it'll cost way more than that to reorganise patients away from The Tavistock services (hurrah!) and into regional specialist services. £25m doesn't get you much of anything any more.

That attitude is part of the problem though isn't it.

If it was just one lump of £25m then it wouldn't be so bad. There must be a dozen or more £25 millions that could be saved or should be looked at as to whether it's money well spent.

I don't know how much the free prescriptions for thyroid sufferers costs overall but it's not right that all their prescriptions are free so there's scope for making savings there. The NHS wastes money. It needs to make better use of the available money and better use of the hoards of managers who think they can just spend it without thinking.

[Count Steer]

TBH, if you're looking for savings, £25m is down the back of the sofa stuff. I assume it'll cost way more than that to reorganise patients away from The Tavistock services (hurrah!) and into regional specialist services. £25m doesn't get you much of anything any more.

That attitude is part of the problem though isn't it.

If it was just one lump of £25m then it wouldn't be so bad. There must be a dozen or more £25 millions that could be saved or should be looked at as to whether it's money well spent.

I don't know how much the free prescriptions for thyroid sufferers costs overall but it's not right that all their prescriptions are free so there's scope for making savings there. The NHS wastes money. It needs to make better use of the available money and better use of the hoards of managers who think they can just spend it without thinking.

Oh, I think every £25m should be spent wisely. It's just that making savings from this particular service would effectively mean no meaningful service. Not even consultations or any other support for people/families*. I can make several suggestions for making better use of some of the £25m but the original proposition appeared to be that they shouldn't spend it at all. ie there aren't any real issues.

* and if it was my family I wouldn't want them falling into some of the advocacy charities hands for support. One of them in particular.

[Felix]

Twice for stitches and one of them i got a lift in a nice white van with blue lights. Twice for a camera up and down a couple of orifices and that will be my experience of going to hospital in my adult life. No i got an xray once. Not bad for someone who is almost 60.

[Yambo]

Twice for stitches and one of them i got a lift in a nice white van with blue lights. Twice for a camera up and down a couple of orifices and that will be my experience of going to hospital in my adult life. No i got an xray once. Not bad for someone who is almost 60.

Long may your good health continue!

[Taipan]

In 2020 and 2021 we stayed at home at Christmas to "protect the NHS". As a little ‘thank you’ from the NHS they are striking at Christmas in 2022! T’is the season to not be poorly. Fa-la-la-la-laa-la-la-la-laa!

[Yorick]

In 2020 and 2021 we stayed at home at Christmas to "protect the NHS". As a little ‘thank you’ from the NHS they are striking at Christmas in 2022! T’is the season to not be poorly. Fa-la-la-la-laa-la-la-la-laa!

Not like you to be funny

[Mr. Dazzle]

In 2020 and 2021 we stayed at home at Christmas to "protect the NHS". As a little ‘thank you’ from the NHS they are striking at Christmas in 2022! T’is the season to not be poorly. Fa-la-la-la-laa-la-la-la-laa!

TBF though, standing on your doorstep and clapping like a performing seal doesn't really achieve much concrete action either does it? Nor does chalking rainbows on the pavement.

[gremlin]

Just an update to 'Footgate', Mrs. G is currently at the fracture clinic for the embedded foreign object in her foot, for her 3.50pm appointment, having previously been called and berated for not turning up for a fictitious appointment. She has turned up for the actual appointment to be told they are 125 minutes behind schedule....

[Yorick]

Just an update to 'Footgate', Mrs. G is currently at the fracture clinic for the embedded foreign object in her foot, for her 3.50pm appointment, having previously been called and berated for not turning up for a fictitious appointment. She has turned up for the actual appointment to be told they are 125 minutes behind schedule....

You should have flown over like I suggested.

[Ant]

In 2020 and 2021 we stayed at home at Christmas to "protect the NHS". As a little ‘thank you’ from the NHS they are striking at Christmas in 2022! T’is the season to not be poorly. Fa-la-la-la-laa-la-la-la-laa!

TBF though, standing on your doorstep and clapping like a performing seal doesn't really achieve much concrete action either does it? Nor does chalking rainbows on the pavement.

No, even though the NHS has spent lots of our money on rainbows, then telling us that they're underfunded......

[Dodgy69]

Do we get more pessimistic with age or is this country really in complete meltdown.

[Taipan]

Do we get more pessimistic with age or is this country really in complete meltdown.

Seems like its an organised effort to push us into econocide!

[irie]

Do we get more pessimistic with age or is this country really in complete meltdown.

Seems like its an organised effort to push us into econocide!

In the same way as Scargill tried to get rid of Thatcher, Mick Lynch and his fellow passengers [sic] are having a coordinated push to get rid of this government.

If the government gives way to one group it will have to give way to all strikers, then inflation will only get worse and the claim cycle will start again.

[Taipan]

Do we get more pessimistic with age or is this country really in complete meltdown.

Seems like its an organised effort to push us into econocide!

In the same way as Scargill tried to get rid of Thatcher, Mick Lynch and his fellow passengers [sic] are having a coordinated push to get rid of this government.

If the government gives way to one group it will have to give way to all strikers, then inflation will only get worse and the claim cycle will start again.

The rise and empowerment of the unions!


5 sided die

[Dodgy69]

Not sure banning union members from striking would be great for recruitment regarding nurses, etc. Brainwashing required.

[gremlin]

Just an update to 'Footgate', Mrs. G is currently at the fracture clinic for the embedded foreign object in her foot, for her 3.50pm appointment, having previously been called and berated for not turning up for a fictitious appointment. She has turned up for the actual appointment to be told they are 125 minutes behind schedule....

And here we go again...

Mrs. G booked in to have the embedded object removed under local today. She gets a call this morning saying they're not going ahead as the consultant on today has decided it doesn't need doing. She asks the reasonable question, 'Is is ok to leave the object in there, then?'. No idea, was the reply.

Anyhow, just sat down to have a bit of lunch together and her phone goes. It's the hospital wanting to know where she is as she's not turned up for her appointment.

[Yambo]

So many managers, so little management.

[Yorick]

Just an update to 'Footgate', Mrs. G is currently at the fracture clinic for the embedded foreign object in her foot, for her 3.50pm appointment, having previously been called and berated for not turning up for a fictitious appointment. She has turned up for the actual appointment to be told they are 125 minutes behind schedule....

And here we go again...

Mrs. G booked in to have the embedded object removed under local today. She gets a call this morning saying they're not going ahead as the consultant on today has decided it doesn't need doing. She asks the reasonable question, 'Is is ok to leave the object in there, then?'. No idea, was the reply.

Anyhow, just sat down to have a bit of lunch together and her phone goes. It's the hospital wanting to know where she is as she's not turned up for her appointment.

Fly over here for the weekend. We're having a World Cup BBQ on Sunday as well

[mangocrazy]

So many managers, so little management.

Nail, meet hammer.

The whole reason (in my experience) for having umpteen levels of management is to be able to spread blame around and reduce accountability. Reduce the number of managers and all of a sudden you find a buck stopping somewhere.

Many years ago, when I was a mainframe computer shift leader and we had an 'incident', it was hilarious to watch various levels of management arguing and fighting among themselves to try and shift blame around. As a generic noun, we referred to them as a 'panic of managers'.

As soon as managers became involved everything slowed down and it became nearly impossible to get a straight answer. In most cases if the Ops had been left to their own devices the services would have been back with far less downtime, but because we couldn't be trusted we had to defer to (largely clueless) managers on technical matters.