Who Will You Vote For?

[Horse]

I'm running an Apathy Workshop. Who wants to come?

I think about it....

Will there be biscuits?

If I can be bothered, yes.

It would probably clash with my pessimists meeting.

[gremlin]

I think about it....

Will there be biscuits?

If I can be bothered, yes.

It would probably clash with my pessimists meeting.

Well that's just bound to ruin it, then. Probably no point at all in trying to move the date...

[Horse]

If I can be bothered, yes.

It would probably clash with my pessimists meeting.

Well that's just bound to ruin it, then. Probably no point at all in trying to move the date...

Delay might work for the Procrastination Society, but since they merged with the Prevaricators there's no chance of getting confirmation.

[gremlin]

It would probably clash with my pessimists meeting.

Well that's just bound to ruin it, then. Probably no point at all in trying to move the date...

Delay might work for the Procrastination Society, but since they merged with the Prevaricators there's no chance of getting confirmation.

We'll see.

[irie]

... when you get an, admittedly miniscule, opportunity to do something to adjust the status quo, you completely ignore it.
...

To the contrary, in the current situation making a conscious decision not to cast a vote is indeed a valid action intended change the "status quo". Not miniscule if/when large numbers of the electorate make the same decision. Which I think will probably be the case.

[Rockburner]

... when you get an, admittedly miniscule, opportunity to do something to adjust the status quo, you completely ignore it.
...

To the contrary, in the current situation making a conscious decision not to cast a vote is indeed a valid action intended change the "status quo". Not miniscule if/when large numbers of the electorate make the same decision. Which I think will probably be the case.

I disagree completely, how does that change the status quo at all?

All it does is tell whatever party that gets into power that they've got carte-blanche to do whatever they like because no-one is going to stop them. It says the non-voters can't be arsed to take an interest so the politicians can be as corrupt as they want and there will be no repercussions.

I simply don't understand how anyone can think that's a good idea.

[irie]

... when you get an, admittedly miniscule, opportunity to do something to adjust the status quo, you completely ignore it.
...

To the contrary, in the current situation making a conscious decision not to cast a vote is indeed a valid action intended change the "status quo". Not miniscule if/when large numbers of the electorate make the same decision. Which I think will probably be the case.

I disagree completely.

Unsurprising.

I simply don't understand how anyone can think that's a good idea.

Ditto.

[mangocrazy]

What it says.

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[mboy]

It's worth remembering people that under FPTP we only have the illusion of Democracy... Here is a full list of all the European countries that still use FPTP rather than proportional representation...

-Belarus
-United Kingdom

Two kleptocracies controlled by the Oligarchy... Oh what joy!

So as much as I want the Tories out, if I continue to support the FPTP system just by voting tactically, then I can't really complain that they don't abolish FPTP can I...

I shall be fucking glad when this is all over tomorrow, and we can go on living being told what to do, how to act, who not to upset, and how much poorer I am every single year as a result of governmental economists lying through their teeth about real world inflation and interest rates all whilst ignoring fiscal drag, rather than enjoying the illusion that I can make a difference at all even for a single day!

[weeksy]

I shall be fucking glad when this is all over tomorrow, a

You're not alone... however i suspect this will continue

[mboy]

I'm running an Apathy Workshop. Who wants to come?

Me please!

The false hope that my vote matters or that anyone will actually make any meaningful change to the status quo is eating me up inside!

[Dodgy69]

Yep...go vote and the bandwagon continues. Bouncing from one to the other, based on bullshit. Nothing will ever change.

Massive no vote 50% + puts massive pressure for system change. Never happen though.

[wheelnut]

I'm hoping a good trashing in Scotland will give the SNP the clear mandate they are always banging on about, they will take it as a sign that nobody wants independence and disband.

Even if they do get a good trashing, they will declare it as a huge success.

[cheb]

They've even been gifted an excuse for a poor showing, the postal ballot problems.

[gremlin]

I shall be fucking glad when this is all over tomorrow, and we can go on living being told what to do, how to act, who not to upset, and how much poorer I am every single year as a result of governmental economists lying through their teeth about real world inflation and interest rates all whilst ignoring fiscal drag, rather than enjoying the illusion that I can make a difference at all even for a single day!

Out of interest, which political party in the UK would make things satisfactory for you? For example, you don't like being told what to do...presumably a party that advocates the abolition of the law/police. Not seeing that in any manifesto.
Who not to upset? Turn that around: who do you want to upset?
Who's lying about inflation? Most of the economists I read are independent, albeit with a political leaning. Where's your research?
Lying about interest rates. What lie? They're at 5.25% in this country. Other countries have other base rates. Go look at the BoE/other central bank website if you don't believe me.
Why can't you make a difference? Are you being specifically persecuted? I'd go to the police if you are. Hang on...see your first point. You don't like people telling other people what to do. Scrub that.


So...I'm all ears. Give us the master plan. See, I'm all for reasoned debate and sensible suggestions (P.R., for example), but 6th-form common room outbursts are just pointless.

[Horse]

Massive no vote 50% + puts massive pressure for system change.

Really? You anticipate, expect, that they'll go all "Oh, we've got it wrong." Then choose to change automatically change to something 'right' to your views.

How would that happen?

[Horse]

A prediction:

UK General Election 2024 #5 – My Final Forecast as of 3rd July 2024
July 3, 2024 By Nigel

My third and final forecast of the number of seats to be won by each party in the 2024 UK General Election is –

CON 130 (+17)
LAB 420 (-17)
LD 50
SNP 25
GRN 3
PC 2
REF 2
OTH NI 18

The numbers in brackets are the changes from my second forecast of 30th June 2024.

This article is based on polling data as of 2000 on 3rd July 2024. If more polling data comes in and causes me to change my forescript, the changes will be detailed in a postscript at the end of the article.

This guy has a track record of being fairly accurate.

https://marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/ ... orecast-3/

[mangocrazy]

Massive no vote 50% + puts massive pressure for system change. Never happen though.

You got it right in the second sentence. The winner of the election will simply ignore those who didn't vote. They will also most likely ignore those who did vote, to be fair.

[gremlin]

IIRC, 2011 we had a bit of a referendum to see if we wanted PR, as opposed to FPTP. I seem to recall about 2/3 of the folk of this fine nation gave it a resounding fuck off.

Shall we have another one?

Like Brexit losers want another one?

Or the SNP want another one?

Have one every week perhaps. Or to settle the argument, each General Election does it a different way in turn. FPTP, PR, sing off, arm wrestle...

[gremlin]

Massive no vote 50% + puts massive pressure for system change. Never happen though.

You got it right in the second sentence. The winner of the election will simply ignore those who didn't vote. They will also most likely ignore those who did vote, to be fair.

Ensuring you can't accuse them of bias