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ZRX61 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:58 pm Latest here is a move to take out 4 hydro-electric dams in the PNW because *salmon*.. yanno, because we have decreasing demand for electricity & they are banning the use of gas in new construction...

Earn yourself some kudos by introducing them to 'salmon ladders'.

Horse wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:26 pm

ZRX61 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:58 pm Latest here is a move to take out 4 hydro-electric dams in the PNW because *salmon*.. yanno, because we have decreasing demand for electricity & they are banning the use of gas in new construction...

Earn yourself some kudos by introducing them to 'salmon ladders'.

Edit, my mistook, the pics clearly show salmon ladders either side of the dam:
https://www.cfact.org/2021/03/02/breach ... northwest/

So revisiting the earlier post, why do they want to remove them?

Edit. Sorry, thought you meant the link was only to a photo.

Horse wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:31 pm So revisiting the earlier post, why do they want to remove them?

Edit. Sorry, thought you meant the link was only to a photo.

Insanity is my guess...
Calizuela Governor Nero Newsolini is involved...

Just for balance like, since ZX didn't say why they want to take the Dams down

https://e360.yale.edu/features/on-the-n ... oval-grows

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:11 pm Just for balance like, since ZX didn't say why they want to take the Dams down

https://e360.yale.edu/features/on-the-n ... oval-grows

I notice they conveniently left out the soaring seal numbers which have decimated the salmon population... There's a case to be made for allowing seal hunting to restore the balance.... & we all know how that will go over with the fucking morons whose campaigns lead to us losing 4 million acres to fire last year.

ZRX61 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:48 pm I notice they conveniently left out the soaring seal numbers which have decimated the salmon population... There's a case to be made for allowing seal hunting to restore the balance

Too many seals, but not enough food = fewer seals, or they clear off elsewhere.

Horse wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:20 pm

ZRX61 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:48 pm I notice they conveniently left out the soaring seal numbers which have decimated the salmon population... There's a case to be made for allowing seal hunting to restore the balance

Too many seals, but not enough food = fewer seals, or they clear off elsewhere.

The seals are having a field day on salmon leading to vast numbers of seals, but the Orca's are starving owing to a lack of Salmon.. even though Orca's prey on seals.
There is both an abundance of salmon for seals,but a shortage of salmon for the orcas...It would appear there's a contradiction here...I think the environmentalists need to get their story straight.

ZRX61 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:30 pm The seals are having a field day on salmon leading to vast numbers of seals, but the Orca's are starving owing to a lack of Salmon.. even though Orca's prey on seals.
There is both an abundance of salmon for seals,but a shortage of salmon for the orcas...It would appear there's a contradiction here...I think the environmentalists need to get their story straight.

Meanwhile, nobody dare speak of the real problem -too many humans!

Less humans, less need for electricity/water/all the other resources.
Less humans, less pollution, less damage to the environment.

Covid-19 was a small step forward, the big one IS coming. Not sure where, not sure when, but................

Cousin Jack wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:56 pm the big one IS coming. Not sure where, not sure when, but................

Antibiotic resistance.

It's increasing.

Horse wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:02 pm Antibiotic resistance.

It's increasing.

Could be. Or maybe global warming (or cooling)? Or perhaps the next pandemic will be something like Ebola? Or an extremis group will get a nuke and mange to trigger a full-on nuclear exchange? Or a big meteorite? Or magnetic pole reversal? Or a big super-volcano eruption?

There is an almost limitless choice of catastrophes waiting, some we can do nothing about, some we have created ourselves.

Cousin Jack wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:56 pm Less humans, less need for electricity/water/all the other resources.
Less humans, less pollution, less damage to the environment.

Should we start with the ones who don't know when to use 'fewer' ?

Kneerly Down wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:00 pm

Cousin Jack wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:56 pm Less humans, less need for electricity/water/all the other resources.
Less humans, less pollution, less damage to the environment.

Should we start with the ones who don't know when to use 'fewer' ?

As good a place to start as any - they are probably coffin dodgers anyway.

Anyone up for a group buy?

https://electrek.co/2021/02/27/awesomel ... all-catch/

Put me down for two. Joined together they might just be useable.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... texas-grid

Elon Musk is getting into the Texas power market, with previously unrevealed construction of a gigantic battery connected to an ailing electric grid that nearly collapsed last month. The move marks Tesla Inc.’s first major foray into the epicenter of the U.S. energy economy.

A Tesla subsidiary registered as Gambit Energy Storage LLC is quietly building a more than 100 megawatt energy storage project in Angleton, Texas, a town roughly 40 miles south of Houston. A battery that size could power about 20,000 homes on a hot summer day. Workers at the site kept equipment under cover and discouraged onlookers, but a Tesla logo could be seen on a worker’s hard hat and public documents helped confirm the company’s role.

Horse wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:57 amElon Musk is getting into the Texas power market, with previously unrevealed construction of a gigantic battery connected to an ailing electric grid that nearly collapsed last month. The move marks Tesla Inc.’s first major foray into the epicenter of the U.S. energy economy.

A Tesla subsidiary registered as Gambit Energy Storage LLC is quietly building a more than 100 megawatt energy storage project in Angleton, Texas, a town roughly 40 miles south of Houston. A battery that size could power about 20,000 homes on a hot summer day.

GIGANTIC battery...well, it is big, but how big does it need to be to deal with the Texas power problem:

For each Watt of maximum power from a 'Megabattery' it has 4Ah of energy capacity - not sure if that's the deliverable capacity though, so could be closer to 3Ah, but I'll go with 4Ah.
The power deficit in the recent Texas power outages was roughly 30,000MW.
So the Gigantic Battery plant has a capacity of c.400MWh and would power through the Texas power outages for all of 48 seconds.
Best get the kettle on quick!


Oh, don't get me wrong. There is a place, potentially, for plants such as these.
Not sure if the Texas grid has the equivalent of National Grids STOR (Short-Term Operating Reserve) but if it does there are financial incentives for 'generators' that can start delivering quickly as much standby power generation has start-up times of minutes through to hours.
I think Texas has a potentially bigger problem with water supply if the recent extreme weather becomes a recurring theme.
Speaking as someone who has sometimes intermittent supply of both electricity and water, it's a much bigger pain running out of water!

Kneerly Down wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:03 pm Not sure if the Texas grid has the equivalent of National Grids STOR (Short-Term Operating Reserve) but if it does there are financial incentives for 'generators' that can start delivering quickly as much standby power generation has start-up times of minutes through to hours.

I think the article suggests that.

He'd be mad to actually call it Cyberdyne Systems at this stage...

Horse wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:41 pmI think the article suggests that.

Not really.
I think the article gets in wrong when it says:
"Utility-scale batteries are needed to store the electricity produced by wind and solar"

This isn't really the case as batteries just aren't suited to such large scale ENERGY storage.

The hydro project being planned down the road (well, 30 miles) from us, can provide 1,500MW, and it can provide that for 24 hours.
Maybe a big (mega) battery would be a sensible adjunct to that, to provide the 30s-2min that it takes the turbines to spin up.
The mega batteries installed so far are primarily for covering sudden loss of generating power that can take down big interconnectors between, for example, states in Australia.
Of course, arbitraging electric prices might be a way of making more money out of the system, but fundamentally the mega battery is there to be ready (i.e. charged) to provide for the unexpected.