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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 5:33 pm
by Tomcat
If you'd asked me a few years ago I'd have said definitely no. Inadequate charging infrastructure, too expensive, too many doubts about battery longevity and range anxiety. But those things are starting to change, and since most of our car mileage is fairly local (rarely do more than 100 miles on a single trip) it could be viable. Maybe if I'm still alive by the time the diesel SEAT turns up its toes, we'll see.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 8:38 pm
by Taipan
Fuggers!
My wife said to me today that she's pleased for me as she knew the Tesla wasn't right for me. Which is kinda odd as she seemed miffed I was buying the Jag!?
She did admit she was pleased we had a convertible again.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 11:31 pm
by Horse
Swedish study
Battery Health After 62,000 Miles
Kia e-Niro – 64kWh 97.25%
Hyundai Kona – 64kWh 97.18%
Kia EV6 – 77.4kWh 95.95%
Volvo XC40 – 69kWh 94.70%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh. 94.35%
BMW i3 – 120 Ah 94.77%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh 93.53%
Tesla Model 3 – 60.5kWh 93.34%
Audi e-tron 50 – 71kWh 93.02%
Audi e-tron 55 – 95kWh 92.93%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.88%
Tesla Model 3 – 78.8KWh 92.83%
Tesla Model S 92.80%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.77%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.60%
Tesla Model X 92.52%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.27%
Tesla Model Y – 78.8kWh 92.18%
Audi Q4 e-tron – 77kWh 92.18%
Volkswagen ID3 – 58kWh 91.7%
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:33 am
by Count Steer
Horse wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 11:31 pm
Swedish study
Battery Health After 62,000 Miles
Kia e-Niro – 64kWh 97.25%
Hyundai Kona – 64kWh 97.18%
Kia EV6 – 77.4kWh 95.95%
Volvo XC40 – 69kWh 94.70%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh. 94.35%
BMW i3 – 120 Ah 94.77%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh 93.53%
Tesla Model 3 – 60.5kWh 93.34%
Audi e-tron 50 – 71kWh 93.02%
Audi e-tron 55 – 95kWh 92.93%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.88%
Tesla Model 3 – 78.8KWh 92.83%
Tesla Model S 92.80%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.77%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.60%
Tesla Model X 92.52%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.27%
Tesla Model Y – 78.8kWh 92.18%
Audi Q4 e-tron – 77kWh 92.18%
Volkswagen ID3 – 58kWh 91.7%
Got a link? Be interesting to know the sample size of each model* (and the validity of quoting to 2 decimal places). It looks odd when you see the variability of results from one manufacturer but then you see it's pretty much a fraction of a % for most of them.
90%+ is pretty good though. Maybe manufacturers should state 'miles per charge at 90% of manufactured capacity'.
* and the elapsed time to reach the 62,000 miles....and the charging regime....and....
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:42 am
by KungFooBob
I imagine it also doesn't take into account the hidden overhead that all EV batteries have.
On my i4 there's around 2kwh that is excluded from the capacity you are shown as available. The battery management systems will add some of this back in as the battery deteriorates.
The i3 was BMWs first leccy car and had a large hidden number of kwh, because they just didn't know how the battery was going to last long term, that's probably why the i3 figure looks so good.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 9:20 am
by Horse
Count Steer wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:33 am
Horse wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 11:31 pm
Swedish study
Battery Health After 62,000 Miles
Kia e-Niro – 64kWh 97.25%
Hyundai Kona – 64kWh 97.18%
Kia EV6 – 77.4kWh 95.95%
Volvo XC40 – 69kWh 94.70%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh. 94.35%
BMW i3 – 120 Ah 94.77%
Polestar 2 – 78kWh 93.53%
Tesla Model 3 – 60.5kWh 93.34%
Audi e-tron 50 – 71kWh 93.02%
Audi e-tron 55 – 95kWh 92.93%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.88%
Tesla Model 3 – 78.8KWh 92.83%
Tesla Model S 92.80%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.77%
Skoda Enyaq iV – 77kWh 92.60%
Tesla Model X 92.52%
Volkswagen ID4 – 77kWh 92.27%
Tesla Model Y – 78.8kWh 92.18%
Audi Q4 e-tron – 77kWh 92.18%
Volkswagen ID3 – 58kWh 91.7%
Got a link? Be interesting to know the sample size of each model* (and the validity of quoting to 2 decimal places). It looks odd when you see the variability of results from one manufacturer but then you see it's pretty much a fraction of a % for most of them.
90%+ is pretty good though. Maybe manufacturers should state 'miles per charge at 90% of manufactured capacity'.
* and the elapsed time to reach the 62,000 miles....and the charging regime....and....
ish
Link to a news item:
https://www.drive-electric.co.uk/news/u ... lth-study/
Which says:
Data from the 2025 Battery Performance Index, produced by electric vehicle battery diagnostics specialist Generational, analysed more than 8,000 electric cars and vans across 36 manufacturers.
Article links to:
https://generational.ac/2025-battery-performance-index/
Who are ...
https://generational.ac/about-us/
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 9:26 am
by Horse
Count Steer wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:33 am
Horse wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 11:31 pm
Swedish study
Battery Health After 62,000 Miles
Kia e-Niro – 64kWh 97.25%
...
Volkswagen ID3 – 58kWh 91.7%
90%+ is pretty good though.
As.you say, how they're used may have an effect.
However, if - just as a f'rinstance - they had 200 miles range when new, to drop 6-19 miles isn't too bad.
Google says:
Over 100,000 kilometers, a well-maintained vehicle’s fuel consumption typically increases by only 2% to 5%.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:05 am
by Saga Lout
Any petrol or diseasel car after 62,000 miles: Fuel tank capacity 100%
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:12 am
by Taff
Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:05 am
Any petrol or diseasel car after 62,000 miles: Fuel tank capacity 100%
Are you going to guarantee that the engine is still running at 100% as it left the factory and all of the horses are still present?
How about the clutch?
Etc
Etc
Etc
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:26 am
by Horse
Saga Lout wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:05 am
Any petrol or diseasel car after 62,000 miles: Fuel tank capacity 100%
Indeed, which is why I posted this:
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 9:26 am
Google says:
Over 100,000 kilometers, a well-maintained vehicle’s fuel consumption typically increases by only 2% to 5%.
ICE fuel consumption varies. I knew someone who kept meticulous records. His K75 took 15,000 from new to reach its best fuel consumption.
Guessing, oil consumption will increase as an engine wears too.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:44 am
by MrLongbeard
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:26 am
Guessing, oil consumption will increase as an engine wears too.
Bull plop, a decent engine should not consume any oil, just because manufacturers accept they do doesn't mean they should
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:08 pm
by Horse
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:44 am
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:26 am
Guessing, oil consumption will increase as an engine wears too.
Bull plop, a decent engine should not consume any oil, just because manufacturers accept they do doesn't mean they should
So, you're saying they shouldn't, but some/many do?
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
by MrLongbeard
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:08 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:44 am
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:26 am
Guessing, oil consumption will increase as an engine wears too.
Bull plop, a decent engine should not consume any oil, just because manufacturers accept they do doesn't mean they should
So, you're saying they shouldn't, but some/many do?
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:57 pm
by Pirahna
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:08 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:44 am
Bull plop, a decent engine should not consume any oil, just because manufacturers accept they do doesn't mean they should
So, you're saying they shouldn't, but some/many do?
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
40% of engines consume oil.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:08 pm
by Yorick
Pirahna wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:57 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:08 pm
So, you're saying they shouldn't, but some/many do?
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
40% of engines consume oil.
My Suzuki consumes nada despite lots of time on track
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:15 pm
by Taipan
Yorick wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:08 pm
Pirahna wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:57 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
40% of engines consume oil.
My Suzuki consumes nada despite lots of time on track
My KTMs were all oil guzzlers!
For most KTM motorcycles, consuming between 100 ml to 200 ml of oil per 1,000 kilometers is considered normal. However, larger single-cylinder (e.g., 690) or high-performance LC8 engines can occasionally burn up to 600 ml to 1,000 ml per 1,000 kilometers depending on riding style.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:20 pm
by Yorick
Taipan wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:15 pm
Yorick wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:08 pm
Pirahna wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:57 pm
40% of engines consume oil.
My Suzuki consumes nada despite lots of time on track
My KTMs were all oil guzzlers!
For most KTM motorcycles, consuming between 100 ml to 200 ml of oil per 1,000 kilometers is considered normal. However, larger single-cylinder (e.g., 690) or high-performance LC8 engines can occasionally burn up to 600 ml to 1,000 ml per 1,000 kilometers depending on riding style.
Sounds like a 2 stroke
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:22 pm
by Horse
Yorick wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 1:08 pm
Pirahna wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:57 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
40% of engines consume oil.
My Suzuki consumes nada despite lots of time on track
One careful owner!
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 2:14 pm
by Count Steer
All I know about our cars is that the oil lights don't come on between services.
I'd guess the bike racing people change oil quite frequently (because the w figure changes as the hydrocarbon chains get chopped up under duress?) but I wonder if
@Tricky 's bike actual uses much over a season?
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:28 pm
by IccyV2
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:48 pm
Horse wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 12:08 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 11:44 am
Bull plop, a decent engine should not consume any oil, just because manufacturers accept they do doesn't mean they should
So, you're saying they shouldn't, but some/many do?
An engine can be built so that it doesn't consume oil during foreseeable use, of the 5 internal combustion engines in this house 3 do not consume a drop between services, 2 do.
It can but then tolerances must be tight(er) and you'll get some ham fisted goon who will thrash it from cold and cold seize it or crack the bore.
High power supercars can get this, not warmed up then go bang and get a bad rep.