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[Mr. Dazzle]

This is a big deal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-02-18/

Doesn't seem that big

0.08% boost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741

[irie]

This is a big deal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-02-18/

Doesn't seem that big

0.08% boost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741

Think past the present ...

It is ironic that at exactly the same time as the UK is joining the CPTPP trade agreement (and can therefore no longer rejoin the EU), the EU's backtracking on phasing out internal combustion car engines has comprehensively pulled the rug from underneath the bleating Remainers who argue that the EU is a responsible green/eco organisation!

[Mr. Dazzle]

NOt sure I'd agree with the word "comprehensive" there.

The EU have now made it official law that you can't sell CO2 producing combustion engines after 2035. The 'backtracking' allows for carbon neutral synthetic fuels, which honestly IMO is just pandering to a few German manufacturers who still want to sell ultra high margin supercars to the wealthy few. No normal cars are gonna be combustion engined.

How is this ^ law "comprehensively" pulling the rug out from the argument? It's not actually an argument I would have made FWIW, but I don't see how this is a "Gotcha!" moment.

[Horse]

This is a big deal

Think past the present ...

the UK is joining the CPTPP trade agreement (and can therefore no longer rejoin the EU) :LOL:

I guess he means 'beyond'? Or is that a 'Back to the Future' reference?

Presumably we could leave the CPTPP just as easily as we left the EU?

[irie]

NOt sure I'd agree with the word "comprehensive" there.

The EU have now made it official law that you can't sell CO2 producing combustion engines after 2035. The 'backtracking' allows for carbon neutral synthetic fuels, which honestly IMO is just pandering to a few German manufacturers who still want to sell ultra high margin supercars to the wealthy few. No normal cars are gonna be combustion engined.

How is this ^ law "comprehensively" pulling the rug out from the argument? It's not actually an argument I would have made FWIW, but I don't see how this is a "Gotcha!" moment.

Betcha all EU car manufacturers will take advantage of this convenient get-out, including the French car industry of course.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I reckon they think they might, but when you look at the numbers it just doesn't add up. E-fuels are always going to be massively more expensive than alternatives if you set yourself the target of being (genuinely) carbon neutral. It may look from the outside as if ICE will live on like it is now, but it won't. It'll be the preserve of the very wealthy or the very enthusiastic. Both are the sorts of people who'll pay for high very profit margin cars

It's the Italians and the Germans who actually make those sorts of cars.

[gremlin]

Woman given a warning after being naked...in a changing room.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65133860

"The Terrigal Surf Lifesaving Club, located about an hour's drive north of Sydney, put up signs in its changing rooms advising "no nudity", and directing members to shower in their swimming costumes and change under towels."

[irie]

I reckon they think they might, but when you look at the numbers it just doesn't add up. E-fuels are always going to be massively more expensive than alternatives if you set yourself the target of being (genuinely) carbon neutral. It may look from the outside as if ICE will live on like it is now, but it won't. It'll be the preserve of the very wealthy or the very enthusiastic. Both are the sorts of people who'll pay for high very profit margin cars

It's the Italians and the Germans who actually make those sorts of cars.

Genuinely

[Yambo]

Woman given a warning after being naked...in a changing room.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65133860

"The Terrigal Surf Lifesaving Club, located about an hour's drive north of Sydney, put up signs in its changing rooms advising "no nudity", and directing members to shower in their swimming costumes and change under towels."

I wonder if they allow trans-women in the womens' changing rooms.

[Ant]

This is a big deal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-02-18/

Doesn't seem that big

0.08% boost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741

Think past the present ...

It is ironic that at exactly the same time as the UK is joining the CPTPP trade agreement (and can therefore no longer rejoin the EU), the EU's backtracking on phasing out internal combustion car engines has comprehensively pulled the rug from underneath the bleating Remainers who argue that the EU is a responsible green/eco organisation!

It's probably more to do with Germany realising that it'll really hurt their economy...

https://www.ft.com/content/c763c4f2-1f1 ... 6af4f6f5be

[demographic]

This is a big deal.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-02-18/

Doesn't seem that big

0.08% boost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741

Aye, a 0.08% boost compared to a 4% decrease due to Brexit.
Wow, lets join now...


I'm sure Irie is just having a little joke cos nobody in their right mind would do that swap.

[irie]

Doesn't seem that big

0.08% boost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741

Think past the present ...

It is ironic that at exactly the same time as the UK is joining the CPTPP trade agreement (and can therefore no longer rejoin the EU), the EU's backtracking on phasing out internal combustion car engines has comprehensively pulled the rug from underneath the bleating Remainers who argue that the EU is a responsible green/eco organisation!

It's probably more to do with Germany realising that it'll really hurt their economy...

https://www.ft.com/content/c763c4f2-1f1 ... 6af4f6f5be

Indeed it would because the EU would be flooded with relatively cheap Chinese EV vehicles.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Why isn't the EU flooded with relatively cheap ICE cars now then?

[Ant]

Think past the present ...

It is ironic that at exactly the same time as the UK is joining the CPTPP trade agreement (and can therefore no longer rejoin the EU), the EU's backtracking on phasing out internal combustion car engines has comprehensively pulled the rug from underneath the bleating Remainers who argue that the EU is a responsible green/eco organisation!

It's probably more to do with Germany realising that it'll really hurt their economy...

https://www.ft.com/content/c763c4f2-1f1 ... 6af4f6f5be

Indeed it would because the EU would be flooded with relatively cheap Chinese EV vehicles.

No chance. The super elite anti competition EU wouldn't allow anyone else to have a slice of the market....

[Horse]

Why isn't the EU flooded with relatively cheap ICE cars now then?

Copyright laws?

[irie]

Why isn't the EU flooded with relatively cheap ICE cars now then?

EU car manufacturers are protected by import tariffs, but you knew that anyway of course.

[Mr. Dazzle]

So why would it be different with EVs?

[Mussels]

Some time back I read an article about a new and very cheap Chinese EV that would make a great local runabout, the article ended by saying unfortunately EU green* taxes would double the cost to buy one.
Still seems odd how they use green taxes to discourage the sale of small EVs.

* Might have been environmental taxes but it was worded similar to that and not as an import duty.

[Ant]

Ah yes, the greenwashing cult of taxing everything they can.

[Yorick]

This must be April 1st

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65146557