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Cousin Jack wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:41 pm IME Norway, Austria, Switzerland and the USA tend to tell you ONCE at the start of a tricky section, and if you are fool enough to forget it then tough shit.

Can't remember which one, in the Lake District, at the top of a pass with a very steep descent, a set of three signs. The third says 'You have been warned'. At least, it did when I took photos about 35 years ago

Dunno if this has been mentioned, by Mercedes have just become the first company to get legal type approval for level 3 autonomous driving. I.e. you can let the car do all the driving in certain conditions fully legally.

I'm sure the fact they beat Tesla to it is something Merc are happy about, especially since everyone's been reeling from Tesla's rapid domination of the EV sector.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/tech ... omous-tech

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:40 pm Dunno if this has been mentioned, by Mercedes have just become the first company to get legal type approval for level 3 autonomous driving. I.e. you can let the car do all the driving in certain conditions fully legally.

I'm sure the fact they beat Tesla to it is something Merc are happy about, especially since everyone's been reeling from Tesla's rapid domination of the EV sector.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/tech ... omous-tech

That's little more than adaptive cruise control and lane keep, in reality.
German law is facilitating L4 too.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/germa ... 0as%202022.

Indeed....but now there's no grey area. Tis fully legal to take your hands off the wheel and do something else.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:26 pm Indeed....but now there's no grey area. Tis fully legal to take your hands off the wheel and do something else.

Any idea of what driver monitoring is used, or the changeover timescale (ie when the system says "I'm not playing any more, your turn")?

Not beyond what's in the press, not my part of the industry

I do know Merc have ambitions to be the first with fully homologated autonomous cars.

Oh alright, I'll stop being lazy and look It's camera-based.

• While the DRIVE PILOT feature is engaged, it con-
tinuously monitors the fallback-ready user’s ability
to resume driving when requested (e.g., s/he is not
permitted to sleep, leave the driver’s seat, etc.).
• After issuing a request for the fallback-ready user to resume driving, DRIVE PILOT continues safely operating the vehicle until the person resumes driving, or, if s/he fails to do so, brings the vehicle automatically to a controlled stop while turning on the hazard warning lamps. What DRIVE PILOT will not do is rely on the fallback-ready user to manage an urgent and hazardous situation. Instead, DRIVE PILOT will continue to operate the vehicle until the fallback-ready user is able to resume driving or the vehicle is brought to a controlled stop.


DRIVE PILOT continuously
monitors (in compliance with applicable data protection laws; see “Data Recording”) the fallback-ready user’s ability to respond to potential requests by the feature to resume driving. Behaviors that would inhibit the fallback-ready user’s ability to take over driving in a timely manner, such as sleeping, are prohibited and, when detected, will cause the system to issue a series of escalating warnings. If those warnings are ignored DRIVE PILOT will automatically bring the vehicle to a controlled stop while turning on the hazard lamps.

If the driver remains unresponsive, DRIVE PILOT will
secure the vehicle from rolling away, seek aid by placing an emergency call to our response center, and prepares the vehicle for emergency assistance by unlocking the doors.


54 page pdf here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... dwD82Tpai0

I wonder if "stuffing your face with a Big Mac" or "having a shifty one off the wrist while browsing your phone" are considered within Mercs "indications the driver will not be able to respond" list.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:28 pm I wonder if "stuffing your face with a Big Mac" or "having a shifty one off the wrist while browsing your phone" are considered within Mercs "indications the driver will not be able to respond" list.

Depends on whether you shut your eyes as you reach vinegar, on your fries.

Where's the Alpen emoji?

slowsider wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:30 pm Where's the Alpen emoji?

Stood in the road, got run over. Now pavement pizza.

Up to 37mph. It’s a step in the right direction - but how autonomous is it round town, cos that’s the only place it can be used.

wheelnut wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:21 pm Up to 37mph. It’s a step in the right direction - but how autonomous is it round town, cos that’s the only place it can be used.

Would have been useful in 40 miles of slow stuff on the M5 a couple of weeks back.

wheelnut wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:21 pm Up to 37mph. It’s a step in the right direction - but how autonomous is it round town, cos that’s the only place it can be used.

Or the M25.

It's being launched on the S class which is usually self driving from the owners POV anyway

Call to make drivers not legally accountable for accidents in autonomous cars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60126014

I've been watching the NFL playoffs and Verizon are running an ad for 5G which talks about unlimited streaming and shows a smiling woman catching up with all sorts of on-demand TV...

...including whilst sat behind the wheel of a car.

Granted, it's not moving... yet!

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qiWR/verizon-un ... oing-ultra

Teslas have had Netflix access for a while.

Range Rover do a nifty option (or at least, they used to...I've not looked recently) where the central screen could show different things depending on what angle you looked at it from. The driver sees driving info, the passenger can watch something.

wheelnut wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:07 am Call to make drivers not legally accountable for accidents in autonomous cars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60126014

This has the potential to fuck up the development of autonomous cars - and make a LOT of lawyers very rich - as there's no way that any manufacturer is going to leave themselves open to being liable for accidents in their vehicles. It's also going to make insurance a very interesting proposition - do you just insure it against theft because third party liability will now be with the manufacturer?

lostboy wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:37 am there's no way that any manufacturer is going to leave themselves open to being liable for accidents in their vehicles.

They already are.

There are all kinds of requirements and hoops to jump through when making vehicles for sale to the general public for exactly that reason.

lostboy wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:37 am This has the potential to fuck up the development of autonomous cars - and make a LOT of lawyers very rich - as there's no way that any manufacturer is going to leave themselves open to being liable for accidents in their vehicles. It's also going to make insurance a very interesting proposition - do you just insure it against theft because third party liability will now be with the manufacturer?

It's the way it's got to go though. If the car is driving then it has to take responsibilty for it. It's an either/or situation. If the car is fully autonomous then why would the driver be to blame?

Humans are good at driving, they are terrible at monitoring.