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Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:24 am
DefTrap wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:53 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:37 pm
Yeah, that's all in the past. No point in raking up old mistakes. Best just to forget about them and move on.
Keep up. Happy to talk about it all day long, I just don't see what point he's trying to make, and why.
I'm making the point that the whole 'believe the science' because clever people than you have spoken is crap. If open debate isn't allowed (climate change, covid, Trump, and woke issues) then conspiracy theorists are right.
Then go and find out about the science.

Open debate requires both parties to be well informed - something that both you and SL avoid.
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irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:45 am
Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:24 am
DefTrap wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:53 pm

Keep up. Happy to talk about it all day long, I just don't see what point he's trying to make, and why.
I'm making the point that the whole 'believe the science' because clever people than you have spoken is crap. If open debate isn't allowed (climate change, covid, Trump, and woke issues) then conspiracy theorists are right.
Then go and find out about the science.

Open debate requires both parties to be well informed - something that both you and SL avoid.
And we're back to the 'I'm cleverer than you so shut up' argument.
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irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:45 am
Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:24 am
DefTrap wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:53 pm

Keep up. Happy to talk about it all day long, I just don't see what point he's trying to make, and why.
I'm making the point that the whole 'believe the science' because clever people than you have spoken is crap. If open debate isn't allowed (climate change, covid, Trump, and woke issues) then conspiracy theorists are right.
Then go and find out about the science.

Open debate requires both parties to be well informed - something that both you and SL avoid.
I think I've just been insulted*. :(

Surely open debate means just that: a debate that is open to all. Or is that too simple for your higher intellect to understand?


* Not particularly well. I've been insulted by experts.
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Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:25 am
irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:45 am
Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:24 am
I'm making the point that the whole 'believe the science' because clever people than you have spoken is crap. If open debate isn't allowed (climate change, covid, Trump, and woke issues) then conspiracy theorists are right.
Then go and find out about the science.

Open debate requires both parties to be well informed - something that both you and SL avoid.
And we're back to the 'I'm cleverer than you so shut up' argument.
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Mussels wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:24 am I'm making the point that the whole 'believe the science' because clever people than you have spoken is crap. If open debate isn't allowed (climate change, covid, Trump, and woke issues) then conspiracy theorists are right.
I mean yeah but come on, you're not being denied an opportunity at free speech, entirely the opposite. Open debate - yes, effing do it. If you're not even going to present an argument then all you've done is reserve the right to look foolish.
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Open debate is impossible with those who present opinions without being armed with hard facts supporting those opinions.
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irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:08 pm Open debate is impossible with those who present opinions without being armed with hard facts supporting those opinions.
That sounds awfully like an opinion. Got any hard facts to back it up?
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Saga Lout wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:36 pm
irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:08 pm Open debate is impossible with those who present opinions without being armed with hard facts supporting those opinions.
That sounds awfully like an opinion. Got any hard facts to back it up?
He made a statement, you asked a question. Does that qualify as 'debate'? Perhaps more 'discussion'.

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Saga Lout wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:36 pm
irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:08 pm Open debate is impossible with those who present opinions without being armed with hard facts supporting those opinions.
That sounds awfully like an opinion. Got any hard facts to back it up?
There are no right or wrong opinions, merely opinions you agree with & those you don't agree with. The correct responses are "ok" or "meh"

or "bugger off"
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ZRX61 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:53 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:36 pm
irie wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:08 pm Open debate is impossible with those who present opinions without being armed with hard facts supporting those opinions.
That sounds awfully like an opinion. Got any hard facts to back it up?
There are no right or wrong opinions, merely opinions you agree with & those you don't agree with. The correct responses are "ok" or "meh"

or "bugger off"
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On the subject of media coverage of the twitter files by MSM...
Fox did the research & discovered that ALL other (US) networks combined have talked about this for a total of 17 minutes...
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ZRX61 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:34 pm On the subject of media coverage of the twitter files by MSM...
Fox did the research & discovered that ALL other (US) networks combined have talked about this for a total of 17 minutes...
LOL.
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How would you even get such a figure? If Fox can accurately research at that level why can't they deploy such diligence on the other parts of their news?
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:43 pm How would you even get such a figure?
Add lots of smaller numbers (times) together? ;)

Although that would only require watching all of the news output from every other broadcaster (presumably radio as well as terrestrial, satellite and Internet video broadcast) and timing the relevant sections. Easy. Ish. Not.

It also doesn't take account of print and online written media, podcasts, etc.
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ZRX61 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:53 pm There are no right or wrong opinions, merely opinions you agree with & those you don't agree with. The correct responses are "ok" or "meh"

or "bugger off"
Not sure you’d have a career in science with that attitude. :D

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There must be dozens/hundreds of news outlets in the US. So did they all do like 5s each, or did one of them do 15 minutes or what?

I get that the point here is "the rest of the networks aren't covering it", but the figure of 17 mins seems both remarkably specific and hard to believe.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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mangocrazy wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:14 pm 73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
And the other 41% are made up by Fox 'news'. :lol:
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mangocrazy wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:14 pm 73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Einstein posted that on his blog, so it must be true.
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