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Morning Midas still on fire

It's been burning for nine days now.

One ship: ≈ $10 million
+ 3000+ vehicles: $30,000ish x 3,000ish ≈ $90 million
Subtotal ≈ $100 million
+ One faulty EV:
Total ≈ $0

Presumably these were new vehicles. Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

Spontaneous combustion of ICE cars is signicantly more common than EVs, you park that outside your house no problem though. Plenty of car transporters have gone up in smoke before too.

No-one denies that battery fires are a problem to deal with, but there's an almost comically massive bias in the news towards reporting them.

T'was the same as the fire in Luton airport caused by an EV, which er....wasn't.

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

Do you carry a mobile phone in your pocket? Madness!

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Presumably these were new vehicles. Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

But you'd happily have xx gallons of highly flammable liquid stood next to your house or in your garage?

Horse wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:34 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

Do you carry a mobile phone in your pocket? Madness!

Early application of the technology was pacemakers

Horse wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:34 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

Do you carry a mobile phone in your pocket? Madness!

Not as mad as the idjiots that leave them on charge overnight

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:36 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Presumably these were new vehicles. Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

But you'd happily have xx gallons of highly flammable liquid stood next to your house or in your garage?

Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:36 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Presumably these were new vehicles. Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

But you'd happily have xx gallons of highly flammable liquid stood next to your house or in your garage?

Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

And yet, it goes up in flames 50 times more often than EVs

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:36 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Presumably these were new vehicles. Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

But you'd happily have xx gallons of highly flammable liquid stood next to your house or in your garage?

Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

You mad mad fool,


Fire Rate
EV Fires 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles
ICE Fires 1,500 fires per 100,000 vehicles

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:37 pm

Horse wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:34 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:13 pm Why would any sane person store one next to their house?

Do you carry a mobile phone in your pocket? Madness!

Not as mad as the idjiots that leave them on charge overnight

Speaking of which...I got the missus an 'official Samsung Galaxy' charger for her phone.

Sat one evening and there's a 'pop!' and a rather burny smell. She thought her phone had fried itself but the (few months old) charger it was plugged into had committed electrical seppuku.

So it's not just phone batteries that can give you a longer nights sleep than you might have planned.

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:47 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:36 pm

But you'd happily have xx gallons of highly flammable liquid stood next to your house or in your garage?

Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

You mad mad fool,


Fire Rate
EV Fires 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles
ICE Fires 1,500 fires per 100,000 vehicles

Unfair. Our EV numbers are smaller. But we are growing and soon shall be mighty and claim that title! Oh. Errr..

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:45 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

And yet, it goes up in flames 50 times more often than EVs

Better the devil you know.

Anyway, if the fanboys are only going to wax mention the pros somebody's got to mentions the cons. And a fire you can't extinguish is a huge con.

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:12 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:45 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:39 pm Mature technology, tried and tested over 100 years or so. Yes.

And yet, it goes up in flames 50 times more often than EVs

Better the devil you know.

Anyway, if the fanboys are only going to wax mention the pros somebody's got to mentions the cons. And a fire you can't extinguish is a huge con.

Christ lad, it's a lithium fire not the heart of a red dwarf star, it requires different methods but they certainly are extinguishable.

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:23 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:12 pm

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:45 pm

And yet, it goes up in flames 50 times more often than EVs

Better the devil you know.

Anyway, if the fanboys are only going to wax mention the pros somebody's got to mentions the cons. And a fire you can't extinguish is a huge con.

Christ lad, it's a lithium fire not the heart of a red dwarf star, it requires different methods but they certainly are extinguishable.

Yet the Morning Midas is still burning.

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:25 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:23 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:12 pm

Better the devil you know.

Anyway, if the fanboys are only going to wax mention the pros somebody's got to mentions the cons. And a fire you can't extinguish is a huge con.

Christ lad, it's a lithium fire not the heart of a red dwarf star, it requires different methods but they certainly are extinguishable.

Yet the Morning Midas is still burning.

Err....it's got/had 3000 cars on board, how many are you thinking of putting in your garage/on your drive?

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:25 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:23 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:12 pm

Better the devil you know.

Anyway, if the fanboys are only going to wax mention the pros somebody's got to mentions the cons. And a fire you can't extinguish is a huge con.

Christ lad, it's a lithium fire not the heart of a red dwarf star, it requires different methods but they certainly are extinguishable.

Yet the Morning Midas is still burning.

Many thousands of cars, in an enclosed steel box, surround by the cold crushing depths of whatever sea it's floundering in, is a very special set of circumstances and not at all comparable to a car sitting on the road or your driveway, but then you knew that didn't ya.

Count Steer wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:31 pm

Saga Lout wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:25 pm

MrLongbeard wrote: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:23 pm

Christ lad, it's a lithium fire not the heart of a red dwarf star, it requires different methods but they certainly are extinguishable.

Yet the Morning Midas is still burning.

Err....it's got/had 3000 cars on board, how many are you thinking of putting in your garage/on your drive?

Erm... None. See above where I asked why would any sane person put one next to their house?

Because they consider a fossil fuel filled car too dangerous

Even GB news agrees EVs are safer.
Vehicle fire rates drop across the UK thanks to more 'plug-in' cars despite being a 'major worry'.
Personally I think EV evangelists are exaggerating how safe they are, some of the stats that seem to be widely used:
ICE cars are 20 times more likely to catch fire.
65% of car fires are started deliberately, are we to believe arsonists find Teslas too adorable?
Hybrid cars are currently more likely to catch fire than ICE cars, is it just a coincidence that hybrids tend to be older and lower value than full EVs?

I'm going to reserve judgement until there are enough 20 year old unloved EVs around to make a decent comparison.