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Got a summary on the law changes today, from Confused.com. I note that cars will not be allowed to park on pavements anywhere...probably because it hinders cyclists.

Count Steer wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:14 pm I note that cars will not be allowed to park on pavements anywhere...

Better tell all the people who drop their children off at the primary school near me.

Count Steer wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:14 pm Got a summary on the law changes today, from Confused.com. I note that cars will not be allowed to park on pavements anywhere...probably because it hinders cyclists.

I can't see that in the changes, and how does it affect designated pavement parking?

I only scanned it. All it says is:

All motorists banned from parking on pavements
Councils in England and Wales could have the power to issue fines for motorists that park on the pavement.

The new rules could mean that councils UK wide could issue £70 fines for pavement parkers.

It’s already illegal to park on the pavement in London and some other parts of the UK. Scotland’s ban on pavement parking should come into effect from 2023.

The government is still consulting on the pavement parking ban, but reports say that the decision in England and Wales could be made sometime this year.

The list of laws they give is:

What are the new driving laws for 2022?:
Highway Code update: pedestrians and cyclists have priority
Stricter rules on mobile phone use in vehicles
Local councils could enforce minor traffic offences instead of police
All motorists banned from parking on pavements
Speed limiters from 6 July 2022
Five-year delay on new smart motorways
Driving licences to be taken off drug users
Self-driving cars allowed on UK roads
New clean air zones: Manchester, Bradford and more in 2022
Electric car grant cut
Nurses to be able to determine if you’re fit to drive - rather than just doctors
New homes to have EV charging points fitted by law in 2022
Rule changes on what you can tow
Ban on red diesel and rebated biofuel

Y'all know as much as I do now.

Speed limiters?

Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:51 pm Speed limiters?

In 2022, speed limiters will be mandatory in all new cars.

The speed limiter – known as an Intelligent Speed Assistant system (ISA) – alerts drivers if they’re going too fast. If the driver doesn’t slow their speed the car will intervene.

Drivers can override the speed limiter circumstances, for example if you’re overtaking.

Think of the revenue lost to the speed scamera brigade,if speeding becomes impossible.

Can't see it happening.

Skub wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:25 pm Think of the revenue lost to the speed scamera brigade,if speeding becomes impossible.

Can't see it happening.

A few random glitches in the system will keep the coffers filled.

Skub wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:25 pm Think of the revenue lost to the speed scamera brigade,if speeding becomes impossible.

Can't see it happening.

It won't be impossible but if caught you won't have a leg to stand on. You can actively over-ride it (but not switch it off as I understand it).

It is being implemented in all new cars sold in UK and EU I believe. Discussions on doing the same for motorbikes are in progress.

If you can't use your own initiative ( ) regarding velocity when riding a motorcycle,why would anyone ride? I doubt there's be anything in it for me. May as well just get a driverless car and forget about it all.

Skub wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:07 pm If you can't use your own initiative ( ) regarding velocity when riding a motorcycle,why would anyone ride? I doubt there's be anything in it for me. May as well just get a driverless car and forget about it all.

Or keep riding/driving pre-neutered bikes/cars? If the implementation of the devices is pants it'll keep s/h prices up of older ones up. Can't see how it can apply to imports from less nanny state places either. We'll all be driving LHD Mustangs.

Think I'd rather mix it with druggy drivers than driverless.

Bet there's been plenty of road rage today.

Dodgy knees wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:23 pm Bet there's been plenty of road rage today.

Why's that?

I think we only saw 4 cars on the 3+ hour ride today, all were polite.

Lost count how many I saw y'day... including a group of about a dozen straggling out over about 400 metres on a busy road, making it almost impossible to overtake them. A couple of riders were side-by-side with another, several were slipstreaming, and others were just at random intervals. I understand it's not easy to ride at the same speed as other riders, particularly up a bit of a hill, but it really would help if groups like this either rode as a single side-by-side block, or in small groups with decent gaps between them. The result of their 'group' was a couple of iffy passes ahead of me.

The Spin Doctor wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:03 am Lost count how many I saw y'day... including a group of about a dozen straggling out over about 400 metres on a busy road, making it almost impossible to overtake them. A couple of riders were side-by-side with another, several were slipstreaming, and others were just at random intervals. I understand it's not easy to ride at the same speed as other riders, particularly up a bit of a hill, but it really would help if groups like this either rode as a single side-by-side block, or in small groups with decent gaps between them. The result of their 'group' was a couple of iffy passes ahead of me.

They probably were before they got to a hilly bit.

The thing is, this change is (I assume) intended to make cycling a more attractive mode of transport. Get commuters out of their cars and all that - that's why the example guy in the HC images isn't togged up like Bradley Wiggins.

What it also does is give lycra clad overweight sunday warriors carte blanche to block up entire roads like they're in the Tour de France, treating the road like their own personal racetrack. I'd like to complain about that, but motorcyclists have been treating the roads like their own personal racetrack for decades now and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:31 am The thing is, this change is (I assume) intended to make cycling a more attractive mode of transport. Get commuters out of their cars and all that - that's why the example guy in the HC images isn't togged up like Bradley Wiggins.

What it also does is give lycra clad overweight sunday warriors carte blanche to block up entire roads like they're in the Tour de France, treating the road like their own personal racetrack. I'd like to complain about that, but motorcyclists have been treating the roads like their own personal racetrack for decades now and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It's cyclists who are to blame for decent roads in the first place...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... -for-roads

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:31 am The thing is, this change is (I assume) intended to make cycling a more attractive mode of transport. Get commuters out of their cars and all that - that's why the example guy in the HC images isn't togged up like Bradley Wiggins.

What it also does is give lycra clad overweight sunday warriors carte blanche to block up entire roads like they're in the Tour de France, treating the road like their own personal racetrack. I'd like to complain about that, but motorcyclists have been treating the roads like their own personal racetrack for decades now and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You're right of course, there's 2 different things here, as you say, 1 is to get the city/town people seeing cycling as not a form of exercise but as a form of transportation, like Holland for example. But that only works in certain societies and with the correct cycling infrastructure in place for them. It also requires 'normal' people to embrace cycling as a way to get to the shops, to their friends or to work. We're a LONG way from that in this country and the vast majority of people here wouldn't even consider it.
There's also the problems of 1. Cycling lanes/highways are not in place in the majority of cities. 2. Not everyone lives in a city.

The new HC guidance also only applies "slower roads" does it not?

BTW: Here in MK we have a complete network of cycle routes, totally seperate from the roads. I can get pretty much anywhere by bike without ever interacting with cars (except for crossing roads at 90°). Almost like this place was planned properly for car ownership

It's not just roundabouts and concrete cows you know