revtothelimit - motorbike forum

I'd hate to have any of the bikes from my yoof. All I remember is repairing them in the cold and wet and philips head screws and hex head screws made of cheese. I've some good memories and pics of my GT750 when I was 18, but looking back it was shite. While racing all my bikes were crap to pay for the race bikes. I enjoyed the LC350s and YPVS race bikes, but if somebody turned up at a trackday and offered me a go, I'd decline. It would be shite and destroy 8 years of amazing memories.

I had some decent bikes after racing. The CBR600 was fun in 1990, but a bit tame. Others followed, always new, but none I'd like to own again.

My first GSXR1000 was an eye opener as I bought one as soon as they came out. Wasn't my first new bike, but there was such a big thing in the press about them, it felt good. Was great. But 2 years later I bought the K3, which was a million times better. I rode a K1 and realised how bad it was as Suzuki rushed it out too soon.

I bought 6 brand new GSXR1000s and only the first one was exciting to buy. The others were my track tools. I'd wait till February and look for a bike within my £8,500 budget, then buy it on the phone. No excitement. Ride it home, then on track the next day. I needed a new bike every 2 years for warranty.

Over here prices are stupid. I sold my 2013 bike here when it was 6 years old for only a grand less than I bought it for. It was a steady bike and the end of the evolution for that bike. Was amazing and was happy to keep it.

When the 2018 bike came out, it was €19,500 here and I wasn't prepared to pay that. But one day we passed the local dealer and it had 4k off in a special offer with a free Yosh can. We walked in and both loved the MotoGP colours. Mrs Y asked how long the offer was for. When we were told there was a week left, she told the lady to get the paperwork sorted

It's a nice bike, but Suzuki did a bummer and made it too track obsessed. The GSXR forum I'm on all agree.

Portimao will decide whether I keep it


To me old bikes are like old TVs and old mobile phones...

On the other hand....

When I started enduro, I fell in love with it. I struggled with the terrain and the bikes. My pal had the Beta X-Trainer and I found that easy to ride. I saw a deal for €5.500 new so I bought it. It taught me a lot, but soon found the bike's limits. It was an economical version of the proper Beta.

After 18 months I decided I wanted the best enduro bike. I had the money, so why not. 3 pals here bought the Husky and all the world leaders were on them, so one was bought.

I never had an inkling to buy an old bike for memories. I just wanted the best. And it's faaaaarking amazing.

Yorick wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:36 pmrepairing them in the cold

Rebuilding my CB175, dibbing my fingers into the tub of Swarfega, to find that, although it was still a gel, water in it had frozen into pointy ice crystals. Nice.

One of those things is when I work on badly maintained older bikes I don't shear or damage fastener heads.

The only conclusion I can come to is that fasteners made from cheesium improve with age.

I don't think I would ever have just old bikes 'cause they're too much hassle. You really have to consider the maintenance of them as part of the ownership pleasure, rather than a necessary evil.

I think I'll always have something fairly new which starts on the button for every day riding. That's why I tend to have a Honda too!

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:11 am I don't think I would ever have just old bikes 'cause they're too much hassle. You really have to consider the maintenance of them as part of the ownership pleasure, rather than a necessary evil.

I think I'll always have something fairly new which starts on the button for every day riding. That's why I tend to have a Honda too!

Yep agreed- having a mixture of old and new makes me appreciate the respective merits of both. I enjoy the involvement required to keep old bikes running properly, but I’m not sure I’d enjoy it as much if I had to fix a bike every weekend to make sure it got me to work on a Monday.

Nidge wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:12 am

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:11 am I don't think I would ever have just old bikes 'cause they're too much hassle. You really have to consider the maintenance of them as part of the ownership pleasure, rather than a necessary evil.

I think I'll always have something fairly new which starts on the button for every day riding. That's why I tend to have a Honda too!

Yep agreed- having a mixture of old and new makes me appreciate the respective merits of both. I enjoy the involvement required to keep old bikes running properly, but I’m not sure I’d enjoy it as much if I had to fix a bike every weekend to make sure it got me to work on a Monday.

Does your new one give the same feeling of character as the older ones ? If not, what's missing ?

cheb wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:34 am One of those things is when I work on badly maintained older bikes I don't shear or damage fastener heads.

The only conclusion I can come to is that fasteners made from cheesium improve with age.

Or, you're more careful now about how you go about removing them.

My bikes are that old that they've caused my shed to be cold and frozen my Swarfega.
Should I buy a newer bike to warm things up a bit or just chuck my Swarfega in the microwave?

Will a newer bike warm my cold shed up better or should I insulate it and heat it?

Are newer vehicles causing more climate change with all this extra warming and should people living close to the equator have old bikes to avoid the need for airconditioning?

Also, I'm having problems with my rods to cones ratio and am reduced to monochromatic vision, if I get a new bike will I get more cones and start seeing more colour again? It's not that much of an issue in my cold dark shed but I realky notice the degradation when I walk into someone elses new vehicle filled garage and all of a sudden its warm bright colours.
Can I get a modern retro style bike and have as much warmth gains as something totally modern in every way


So many questions, it needs proper research.

weeksy wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:15 am

Does your new one give the same feeling of character as the older ones ? If not, what's missing ?

That’s a really good question and quite difficult to answer because it would mean defining “character” and I’m not sure I can.
I think the Speed Twin does have character but it’s different to the old Triumphs, partly due to the 270° Crank (as opposed to 360°) but it also flatters with TC, ABS, powerful brakes so there’s less of a sense of “achievement”. My T140s have half the power of the Speed Twin (fortunately it’s the most useful half from 0-50bhp...) but the joy from completing a 200 mile round trip with no problems will never be found on a modern bike- heck even getting it to start first time puts a smile on my face- something that will never happen from simply pushing a button, so I think it’s something to do with differing expectations of each. Having said that I get immense pleasure from both- just in different ways. I also happen to think they are exceptionally pretty bikes which is what starts the love affair usually isn’t it?

The looks are a massive factor yes. It still pleases me that in 2017 I saw my first XSR and titled the picture "wow" and I still get that now

Kickstarting an old bike instantly puts it about a million points ahead in the character score

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 am Kickstarting an old bike instantly puts it about a million points ahead in the character score

I've never kickstarted a bike.

Neither had I until I got run Bonnie....well I had kickstarted a moped but I'm not counting that

Doing at the lights after stalling for the first time is an eye opener.

weeksy wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:02 am The looks are a massive factor yes. It still pleases me that in 2017 I saw my first XSR and titled the picture "wow" and I still get that now

Yep- funnily enough I was in Premier Bikes before Christmas and was looking at the yellow and black speed block XSR they have in stock thinking what a lovely looking bike it is

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 amAttempting to kickstart an old BSA Starfire 250 instantly puts bruises on your shin - about a million points ahead in the character score

ftf me

I wouldn't say that I'm stuck in the past, but I do prefer older bikes for a number of reasons, personally, I think they look better, most bikes now seem very "pointy" if that's such a thing.

Secondly, the amount of electronic gizmos is frightening, my BM has the electronic suspension that stays in the same mode permanently, ditto the only thing the ABS has done is to cost me a fortune to get fixed, I've never ever had it kick in. All these new bikes with different power curve switches seem a bit overkill, like if you need to turn it down in the rain, maybe you'd be better learning throttle control. I mean, even my 125 has injection, on a crude 125cc single. Which is sold in other markets with a carb.

People always play the reliability card, but I haven't had an on road breakdown in 20 years. The most reliable bike I've ever owned is my old 128k Bandit of 1996 vintage. I've owned it for over 15 years and spent less money on it than I did in less than 2 years of BMW ownership.

Horse wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:35 am

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 amAttempting to kickstart an old BSA Starfire 250 instantly puts bruises on your shin - about a million points ahead in the character score

ftf me

You had a it easy...the Bonnie has rearsets, so the RHS footpeg is in the swing of the kicker. You have to fold it up to be able to kick the bike.

If the peg drops half way down mid kick - which it is wont to do - it scrapes all the way along the side of your leg as you complete the swing.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:05 am Kickstarting an old bike instantly puts it about a million points ahead in the character score

Having to wear motocross boots to start yer bike makes you look a bit wally factor nine in the Tesco till line or needing to install a chainsaw decompression valve in the head so you don't need to clump about like an extra in a steampunk film knocks a few points off yer cred as well.

First time I started the Triumph up I did it in trainers.

I regretted it afterwards, but I did it