Is motorcycling dying?

[Yorick]

p06w9djs.jpg (38.41 KiB) Viewed 516 times

[Horse]

Of course it's a test, if you fail it, you can't ride.

It's not a test, you can't fail. It's training.

If you complete the training course and meet the required standard, you get a certificate.

If you don't meet the standard, you haven't completed the course, so you keep taking more training until you do.

So the organization providing the training has to continue to deliver additional training until you meet the standard, at no extra cost?
Alternatively it IS a test, you failed and you can try again at extra cost.

It will depend on the organisation. As I said, I signed a trainee off after ten months. That was with a volunteer group, no extra fee.

I've seen commercial trainers offer limited extra time, but that was a while ago.

https://acemotorcycletraining.co.uk/mot ... king-form/ say:

This course is normally completed in one day though further training is sometimes required to ensure your safety and so that you can enjoy your riding to the full.

Some customers require further training to complete their CBT successfully. Additional CBT training days are charged for.


And at the risk of really pissing off Weeksy, no, it's not a test. You might 'not reach the standard' long before getting to the road riding section. You might not be able to balance, or work the controls.


Edit:

https://universalmct.co.uk/courses-pric ... bt-london/ say:

Certificate of completion (DL 196) when all five elements have been satisfactorily completed (this may take more than one day), a certificate of completion, called the DL196, is issued. This is a legal document which validates the relevant entitlements on your driving licence.

At any point throughout the CBT course the instructor may stop training and ask the student to rebook. This may be due to a number of reasons. If this is the case the instructor will explain why he/she has chosen to do so and be available to give a full debrief and answer any questions. Any rebookings will be charged at an hourly rate (or per session rate) and the instructor will advise as to how many hours (or sessions) are required.

[Horse]

p06w9djs.jpg

Well, it is that time of the year.

Have you dusted off your Dame outfit?

[Dodgy69]

It's not a test, you can't fail. It's training.

If you complete the training course and meet the required standard, you get a certificate.

If you don't meet the standard, you haven't completed the course, so you keep taking more training until you do.

So the organization providing the training has to continue to deliver additional training until you meet the standard, at no extra cost?
Alternatively it IS a test, you failed and you can try again at extra cost.

It will depend on the organisation. As I said, I signed a trainee off after ten months. That was with a volunteer group, no extra fee.

I've seen commercial trainers offer limited extra time, but that was a while ago.

https://acemotorcycletraining.co.uk/mot ... king-form/ say:

This course is normally completed in one day though further training is sometimes required to ensure your safety and so that you can enjoy your riding to the full.

Some customers require further training to complete their CBT successfully. Additional CBT training days are charged for.


And at the risk of really pissing off Weeksy, no, it's not a test. You might 'not reach the standard' long before getting to the road riding section. You might not be able to balance, or work the controls.


Edit:

https://universalmct.co.uk/courses-pric ... bt-london/ say:

Certificate of completion (DL 196) when all five elements have been satisfactorily completed (this may take more than one day), a certificate of completion, called the DL196, is issued. This is a legal document which validates the relevant entitlements on your driving licence.

At any point throughout the CBT course the instructor may stop training and ask the student to rebook. This may be due to a number of reasons. If this is the case the instructor will explain why he/she has chosen to do so and be available to give a full debrief and answer any questions. Any rebookings will be charged at an hourly rate (or per session rate) and the instructor will advise as to how many hours (or sessions) are required.

Just like the theory test then. But why repeat every 2 years if you don't need full license. ?

[Horse]

Just like the theory test then.

Errr ... you'll have to explain that. Theory test is a fixed pass / fail mark.

But why repeat every 2 years if you don't need full license. ?

Absolute guess, to encourage riders to take training and get a full licence.


FWIW, I think all learners (car and bike) should pass Theory and HPT to validate a provisional licence before taking any training.

[Mr Moofo]

I thought it was dying because of legislation, cost, just stuff that old people do. Know I realise they give up at the CBT stage as they think every is obtuse

[Dodgy69]

Test/training, it all boils down to the same thing, pass to progress. Chap at work was hoping to get his mod 1 and 2 done before cbt expired. In his mod 1 he put his foot down so failed and can't rebook in cbt time.

It's a very expensive game with bike, kit, helmet, security chains, etc. Can't see congestion easing anytime soon.

[weeksy]

Test/training, it all boils down to the same thing, pass to progress. Chap at work was hoping to get his mod 1 and 2 done before cbt expired. In his mod 1 he put his foot down so failed and can't rebook in cbt time.

It's a very expensive game with bike, kit, helmet, security chains, etc. Can't see congestion easing anytime soon.

Why didn't he start it earlier then ? He had 24 months.... but waited till the last minute and failed ? I'm not seeing how that's anyones fault apart from his own.

[Dodgy69]

Not sure tbh, maybe he had no intention of doing big bike test. Found out about the every 2 year bollox and thought better get it done.

[Dickyboy]

Not sure tbh, maybe he had no intention of doing big bike test. Found out about the every 2 year bollox and thought better get it done.

Just mot, insure & tax a sensible big bike, ride like a saint for a year & then reapply

Saw swarms of kids riding ringadings along the main highway during a national holiday in Malaysia earlier this yr, warmed the cockles of me heart it did and a mate there has never even owned a lock let alone been worried about bike theft, owns a tiger 1200, R18 and ktm1290 all parked outside his house - I'd happily live there if it wasn't so darn hot. Oh & the bikes are insured not the person.

[KungFooBob]

I'm surprised by the amount of people I've chatted too about bikes, who have ridden all sorts of stuff and never passed a test. I guess that means no tax or insurance either.

I imagine it's a bit harder not to get caught these days with ANPR, but back in the 80's and 90's it seems everyone was at it.

[weeksy]

I'm surprised by the amount of people I've chatted too about bikes, who have ridden all sorts of stuff and never passed a test. I guess that means no tax or insurance either.

I imagine it's a bit harder not to get caught these days with ANPR, but back in the 80's and 90's it seems everyone was at it.

[KungFooBob]

I'm surprised by the amount of people I've chatted too about bikes, who have ridden all sorts of stuff and never passed a test. I guess that means no tax or insurance either.

I imagine it's a bit harder not to get caught these days with ANPR, but back in the 80's and 90's it seems everyone was at it.

I deleted the 'like Weeksy' bit off cos I was scared of the ban hammer

[Horse]

Test/training, it all boils down to the same thing, pass to progress. Chap at work was hoping to get his mod 1 and 2 done before cbt expired. In his mod 1 he put his foot down so failed and can't rebook in cbt time.

It's a very expensive game with bike, kit, helmet, security chains, etc. Can't see congestion easing anytime soon.

There must have been more than a single dab - unless he did it mid-corner or avoidance manoeuvre.

To pass your motorcycle module 1 test, you needed to make:
no more than 5 riding faults (sometimes called ‘minors’)
no serious or dangerous faults (sometimes called ‘majors’)

Here's the full criteria:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understandi ... -road-test

[Bigjawa]

So the organization providing the training has to continue to deliver additional training until you meet the standard, at no extra cost?
Alternatively it IS a test, you failed and you can try again at extra cost.

It will depend on the organisation. As I said, I signed a trainee off after ten months. That was with a volunteer group, no extra fee.

I've seen commercial trainers offer limited extra time, but that was a while ago.

https://acemotorcycletraining.co.uk/mot ... king-form/ say:

This course is normally completed in one day though further training is sometimes required to ensure your safety and so that you can enjoy your riding to the full.

Some customers require further training to complete their CBT successfully. Additional CBT training days are charged for.


And at the risk of really pissing off Weeksy, no, it's not a test. You might 'not reach the standard' long before getting to the road riding section. You might not be able to balance, or work the controls.


Edit:

https://universalmct.co.uk/courses-pric ... bt-london/ say:

Certificate of completion (DL 196) when all five elements have been satisfactorily completed (this may take more than one day), a certificate of completion, called the DL196, is issued. This is a legal document which validates the relevant entitlements on your driving licence.

At any point throughout the CBT course the instructor may stop training and ask the student to rebook. This may be due to a number of reasons. If this is the case the instructor will explain why he/she has chosen to do so and be available to give a full debrief and answer any questions. Any rebookings will be charged at an hourly rate (or per session rate) and the instructor will advise as to how many hours (or sessions) are required.

Just like the theory test then. But why repeat every 2 years if you don't need full license. ?

And that's what gets me, CBT every two years puts off a lot of people who have no intention of riding anything more than a 125. If I was 17 again, I wouldn't be arsed with it all, I'd just do my car test once and stick with my Jetta/Bora/Leon. Do skills suddenly disappear on the second anniversary of getting CBT?

I'd love to see the stats in how many riders there are in NI compared to when they brought in the mainland system.

[Horse]

And that's what gets me, CBT every two years puts off a lot of people who have no intention of riding anything more than a 125.

Do skills suddenly disappear on the second anniversary of getting CBT?

Given the number of riders who throw themselves, unaided, into the hedges on country roads, even if the skills don't fade, self-restraint seems to.

I don't know the justification for the two year cut-off (something makes me think it originally was three years).

Expanding on what I said earlier,:
HPT & Theory to validate the provisional
'One day' CBT
'One day' of basic on-road training
Then indefinite on Ls up to 125
Mod1 & 2 for a full licence

[dern]

"Is motorcycling dying?" - doesn't look like it...

Screenshot 2024-11-29 at 12.11.18.png (286.91 KiB) Viewed 331 times

Source - https://www.statista.com/statistics/312 ... d-kingdom/

[Rockburner]

And that's what gets me, CBT every two years puts off a lot of people who have no intention of riding anything more than a 125.

Do skills suddenly disappear on the second anniversary of getting CBT?

Given the number of riders who throw themselves, unaided, into the hedges on country roads, even if the skills don't fade, self-restraint seems to.

I don't know the justification for the two year cut-off (something makes me think it originally was three years).

Expanding on what I said earlier,:
HPT & Theory to validate the provisional
'One day' CBT
'One day' of basic on-road training
Then indefinite on Ls up to 125
Mod1 & 2 for a full licence

Isn't the 2 year thing a carry-over from the pre-CBT "Part 1 / Part 2" test where the Part 2 had to be taken within 2 years of the Part 1 training/test, other wise you had to go back and do Part 1 again? Or am I imagining that.... I seem to remember that was the regime when I passed my test(s).

[Horse]

Screenshot_20241129-121743.png (102.06 KiB) Viewed 325 times

Screenshot_20241129-121626.png (212.32 KiB) Viewed 325 times

Depends on what's selling, and why.

At a guess, a lot of that increase will be gig economy food delivery rides, who will never progress to larger bikes. Actually, that's two guesses.

[Whysub]

It seems alive and well here in this part of Spain. No doubt aided by the ability to ride all year round, and parking being free and plentiful for bikes in towns and cities.

Cheers me up immensley to see the little gang of teens on their 50cc two strokes riding up and down the main street on a Friday and Saturday night. This is to be encouraged.

I do see quite a few riders during the week, hi-viz on, being followed by a driving school car, I presume doing their tests.

When I was in Slovakia (near Bratislava) last year, I saw a bike with a second set of handlebars and controls posotioned behind the rider and in front of where the pillion would sit. My mate told me it was owned by a local training school. Very weird