Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[wheelnut]

I realise needs must but if ICU is working 1:3 I hope some consideration is made when they end up before an NMC panel when mistakes are inevitably made

[demographic]

Because IME those who rail at the Torries ignore, or ignored, what the other parties did when in power. I'm thinking of that nice Mister Blair and his successor or the current SNP with their groper of an ex leader and the current attempted cover up.

I'm no great beef with individual politicians in general, it's just when the party comes along all deceny seems to be cast aside. A bit like the great unwashed and common sense in these challenging times.

As an amusing aside, I've a mate who SNP through and through, they can do no wrong. He's also ex Glasgow shipyards, and likewise they can do no wrong. Then along comes the squalid CalMac ferry fiasco, full of vote buying, influence buying and political jobbery. He's knacked as neither side can do no wrong, yet it ended up as a cluster bourach. He's prbably found a reason to blame the Torries and Bastard English. To my great joy he forgets I'm one of the latter. You know his type, a closet racist.

Dunno bout everyone but quite a few of the people I know railed against Call Me Tonys Iraq war and now against BorisTheHumanHaystacks cronyism and populist but empty Brexit policies.

[weeksy]

Because IME those who rail at the Torries ignore, or ignored, what the other parties did when in power. I'm thinking of that nice Mister Blair and his successor or the current SNP with their groper of an ex leader and the current attempted cover up.

I'm no great beef with individual politicians in general, it's just when the party comes along all deceny seems to be cast aside. A bit like the great unwashed and common sense in these challenging times.

As an amusing aside, I've a mate who SNP through and through, they can do no wrong. He's also ex Glasgow shipyards, and likewise they can do no wrong. Then along comes the squalid CalMac ferry fiasco, full of vote buying, influence buying and political jobbery. He's knacked as neither side can do no wrong, yet it ended up as a cluster bourach. He's prbably found a reason to blame the Torries and Bastard English. To my great joy he forgets I'm one of the latter. You know his type, a closet racist.

Dunno bout everyone but quite a few of the people I know railed against Call Me Tonys Iraq war and now against BorisTheHumanHaystacks cronyism and populist but empty Brexit policies.

Enough of the stupid names

[Taipan]

People that don't care seem similar to drink drivers, no amount of campaigns and threats of punishment will change their minds.

That's something that always amazes me. Speeding causes so many more deaths than drink driving, yet DD is demonised akin to being a baby raper, whilst speeders are perfectly understandable and often acceptable!

[demographic]

Because IME those who rail at the Torries ignore, or ignored, what the other parties did when in power. I'm thinking of that nice Mister Blair and his successor or the current SNP with their groper of an ex leader and the current attempted cover up.

I'm no great beef with individual politicians in general, it's just when the party comes along all deceny seems to be cast aside. A bit like the great unwashed and common sense in these challenging times.

As an amusing aside, I've a mate who SNP through and through, they can do no wrong. He's also ex Glasgow shipyards, and likewise they can do no wrong. Then along comes the squalid CalMac ferry fiasco, full of vote buying, influence buying and political jobbery. He's knacked as neither side can do no wrong, yet it ended up as a cluster bourach. He's prbably found a reason to blame the Torries and Bastard English. To my great joy he forgets I'm one of the latter. You know his type, a closet racist.

Dunno bout everyone but quite a few of the people I know railed against Call Me Tonys Iraq war and now against BorisTheHumanHaystacks cronyism and populist but empty Brexit policies.

Enough of the stupid names

Eh? Torries? Didn't think it was that bad, slight misspell but we're all adults here and the world wont end over an extra R.

[MingtheMerciless]

Avoiding all the politics but a work colleagues wife (NHS and on a directors level conference call) rang him today and basically don’t get sick on the Sarf Coast as Brighton, Eastbourne and Hastings Hospitals are pretty much maxed out with COVID patients and the usual winter clients.

[wheelnut]

That's something that always amazes me. Speeding causes so many more deaths than drink driving, yet DD is demonised akin to being a baby raper, whilst speeders are perfectly understandable and often acceptable!

Not sure that’s right - pro rata a DD is a lot more likely to cause a collision than a sober speeder.

[MingtheMerciless]

Dunno bout everyone but quite a few of the people I know railed against Call Me Tonys Iraq war and now against BorisTheHumanHaystacks cronyism and populist but empty Brexit policies.

Enough of the stupid names

Eh? Torries? Didn't think it was that bad, slight misspell but we're all adults here and the world wont end over an extra R.

A USN destroyer shutdown, dead in the water for a few hours about 10 years ago in the sea off Iran because someone added an extra 0 into a co-ordinate so extraneous letters and numbers should be avoided at all costs

[Phoenix]

I voted to the letter, mainly for self preservation. Before the cold weather came and put a stop to riding I would keep my bike gear on when shopping - with the visor down. Now, I try to go out as little as possible and when I do I wear a double lined biker snood and a proper face mask along with two layer protective gloves. Leaving aside causing harm to other people, I just don’t fancy struggling to breathe while what is left of my life passes by in a hospital bed. It’s also unfair to all in the medical services.

A consultant anaesthetist said on C4 News tonight they are triage(ing) those who they think will ‘make it’ e.g. the relatively fit for IC treatment - such is the demand on resources. In the main, those who were under 60.

Whatever, a Happy New Year to you all and Keep Safe and Keep Smiling

Here’s to lots of nice rides in 2021

[irie]

Why keep referencing shape shifting and Tories? Are you suggesting that this party ( or indeed any party) haven’t fleeced the public with their various quangos and chumocracy? It’s a disgrace. Dido Harding? PalantirTech? Brexit? PPE deals with mates of mates of mates that delivered nothing?

They’re all at it, however it’s this lot who are currently at the wheel and need tomatoes thrown at them.

That's pretty cool sleight of hand conflating Covid response and Brexit.

Absolute rubbish.

[irie]

Avoiding all the politics but a work colleagues wife (NHS and on a directors level conference call) rang him today and basically don’t get sick on the Sarf Coast as Brighton, Eastbourne and Hastings Hospitals are pretty much maxed out with COVID patients and the usual winter clients.

And they're going to be even more maxed out in the following two weeks after the various NYE parties on the beaches.

[irie]

Why keep referencing shape shifting and Tories? Are you suggesting that this party ( or indeed any party) haven’t fleeced the public with their various quangos and chumocracy? It’s a disgrace. Dido Harding? PalantirTech? Brexit? PPE deals with mates of mates of mates that delivered nothing?

They’re all at it, however it’s this lot who are currently at the wheel and need tomatoes thrown at them.

Don't stop there though, have a proper look at it, how was the NHS before "this lot" stepped in.
Stafford scandal and Alder Hay happened under Boris did it? Was it Tony Blair leaving old people in puddles of their own piss and bullying whistleblowers?

John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, etc, now you've got Boris - and throughout it all the one common denominator is the NHS was run by sheer incompetence from its management.

Many people do their best under increasingly difficult circumstances, but the unavoidable truth is that an institution the size of the NHS when faced with a fast moving and fluid crisis is intrinsically dysfunctional.

[Dodgy69]

..... To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership.....

Do you really think that's what it shows? In that case, how would you have done things differently, to have a better result?

I'm not supporting the "leadership", BTW, but I think you're grossly underestimating the difficulty of the problem. Go on - how would you have done it?

Yep, thats what they always say... but when you take the big jobs, you've got to be good at it.

Boris is no worse than any of the others , but I do believe the guidance could of been simplified. I've spoken to many this year, who don't know or understand what they can and can't do. Can we travel to there or not.? How long can I leave the house.? etc

What i do know, is that we are in the same shit a year on. We haven't been able to manage the spread and are completely reliant on a vaccine. Thanks must go to the scientists and those responsible for it, but maybe not our politicians.

Anyway, gonna watch Jool's now.

[Horse]

I don't think its all that much to do with intelligence either, plenty of intelligent people smoke, or cheat on their spouse and get tied up in messy divorce, or make dumb financial decisions.

those are generally not infectious though

There were some here recently suggesting that shouty tv soap operas lead to many of society's woes, so perhaps they are?

[David]

The fact that the variation in the virus pushes the R number up by 0.4 to 0.7 should make us all a lot more careful, though there will still be plenty of selfish idiots (Edinburgh last night for example).
The effect of this is astonishing....had we not had the variation the pandemic would have reduced by a third over the last month and into January, with the R rate at 0.9. It is now likely to triple under the effect of the raised R.

In case you want to know...sourced from Today on radio 4 this morning.

[Gedge]

Many people do their best under increasingly difficult circumstances, but the unavoidable truth is that an institution the size of the NHS when faced with a fast moving and fluid crisis is intrinsically dysfunctional.

I'm fine with "We're doing the best we can and we're only human", a lot of medicine is trial and error and you can't save everyone, we're all capable of a mistake and we all have bad days.

But I've seen behind the curtain and if it wasn't for the goodwill and dedication of a minority (<50%) ducking and weaving and going the extra mile just to get things done it would literally collapse...but those people won't put the spotlight on the >50% who are wankers, they instead shine it on the Prime Minister and moan at him.

Excuses and blatant lies have been repeated so often that it resembles a cult where political opinion is accepted as fact, political bullying is rampant and sooner or later most employees buy into (or grudgingly align to) the dogma and if anything goes wrong they just blame the most recent Tory government.

Questions that seem to be avoided, such as, How come almost 1 in 4 people in Hospital with Covid were infected IN hospital?’

Having attended my local A&E after removing the top of a finger, I can take a stab at it...I had to ask for hand gel, people were free to wander around the waiting room with no sign of security.. when it was my turn I was invited INTO the office . My MiL had a fall a few days before Xmas ( 92) and has been admitted since ..more than a week in hospital but they won’t vaccinate her while she is there ( elderly out patients get it though ???) ..meanwhile the woman in the next bed tests +ve and gets moved ..MiL only gets tested as part of planning to send her to a care home, and then it’s only the lateral flow test, which isn’t very accurate ..today she’s off to a care home as the NHS want rid ( understandable in the crisis but why send out a potentially infected patient to go live among vulnerable people ?

PS staff attitude outside of covid wards to PPE and social distancing are noticeably absent ..

[Wossname]

..... To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership.....

Do you really think that's what it shows? In that case, how would you have done things differently, to have a better result?

I'm not supporting the "leadership", BTW, but I think you're grossly underestimating the difficulty of the problem. Go on - how would you have done it?

......I've spoken to many this year, who don't know or understand what they can and can't do. Can we travel to there or not.? How long can I leave the house.? etc

What i do know, is that we are in the same shit a year on. We haven't been able to manage the spread and are completely reliant on a vaccine.

Anyway, gonna watch Jool's now.

I think there's a difference between poor understanding claimed to be because of complicated and varying rules, and the wilfully poor understanding shown by those large numbers who want to carry on doing what they want to do while blaming "the rules". The rules were bound to be complicated; how could you justify (and expect compliance with) a total lockdown in an area that's hardly affected because another area 300 miles away has a different experience? And the rules were bound to vary as the character/infectivity of the virus changes.

The entire aim is to reduce the risk of spread, to ourselves and to others, and that doesn't demand a great deal of "understanding" - just (just!) people taking personal responsibility.

And you haven't said how you'd have done it differently.

BTW - I thought Graham Norton was a much more enjoyable show to end the year with - a bunch of real people havng fun - tho I do like JH and his band.

[Mr. Dazzle]

People will simultaneously claim "common sense" while also saying "well you didn't say I couldn't"....without seeing the irony.

Besides, rules are for other people. Everyone knows that.

[Docca]

Don’t read this if you’re of a nervous disposition.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... nt-VOC.pdf


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TL:DR- new B117 variant is likely going to bum us all into oblivion and kids are the biggest spreaders atm.

I’ve already decided not to send mine back

Tier systems do not work. We are not in lockdown by any stretch of the imagination and for all the whole garden centres and the like stay open as ‘essential business’ we are increasing risk.

Cummings really opened the door on doing what you please and this ( this) negligent government and their weak leadership have not been strong enough, not acted soon enough and pretty soon it will be tough.

[weeksy]

I’ve already decided not to send mine back

We can send them back? Do I need to box him up or will they collect as is?