Yambo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:45 am
The Supreme Court has ruled that the SNP cannot hold another independence referendum without the UK governments consent.
Wee Krankie is going to be spitting thistles!
Who'd ave thunked dat? Law iz da law afteralls.
Honestly, wasting millions on a vanity project that would crash the finances of a nation and cause a rift in social economics.
Its also causing grief within families again. My dad and his sister who were always close for decades were barely on speaking terms in the run up to the last vote as my aunt is fiercely pro independence (car logo'ed up and all that jazz) and my dad thinks independence is a terrible idea. Once the vote was done things improved and normality resumed but with Sturgeon cracking about having yet another "once in a lifetime" vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
You would think looking at the fallout and problems Brexit has bestowed on us would give them a clue if its a good idea or not but hey ho
To be fair we've had several rounds of "once in a lifetime" government borrowing, snowfall, flooding and hot weather too in the past few years, so what's another referendum between friends?
The £20 million it would cost wouldn't even cover the next overspend on the Clyde nearly built ferries for out here.
The replacement ferries for the ones that haven't been finished yet are being built in Turkey. It'd be hilarious if the replacements are ready sooner. The much vaunted greener LPG fueling for the Clydebuilt ones is quietly being dropped.
Political gossip has it that Sturgeon will stand down as leader and try to get aboard the international gravy train as a successful elder statesperson.
Yambo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:45 am
The Supreme Court has ruled that the SNP cannot hold another independence referendum without the UK governments consent.
Wee Krankie is going to be spitting thistles!
Who'd ave thunked dat? Law iz da law afteralls.
Honestly, wasting millions on a vanity project that would crash the finances of a nation and cause a rift in social economics.
Its also causing grief within families again. My dad and his sister who were always close for decades were barely on speaking terms in the run up to the last vote as my aunt is fiercely pro independence (car logo'ed up and all that jazz) and my dad thinks independence is a terrible idea. Once the vote was done things improved and normality resumed but with Sturgeon cracking about having yet another "once in a lifetime" vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
You would think looking at the fallout and problems Brexit has bestowed on us would give them a clue if its a good idea or not but hey ho
What’s the point in fighting about it? They can just vote whatever way they want, or not vote.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:57 pm
Cut em loose, and build a wall!
Scotland contributes less to and takes more from the whole UK economy than it's fair share. If they really want independence then let them have it, but that means no special deals. We will have significant costs (setting up border crossing points, moving Faslane to Plymouth, etc), but when they recognise the enormity of what the Poison Dwarf is foisting on them they will reconsider. And we will take them back, but on our terms!
Repeating my previous referendum self, the U.K. shouldn’t rush into getting rid of a third of its land mass.
Honestly, wasting millions on a vanity project that would crash the finances of a nation and cause a rift in social economics.
Its also causing grief within families again. My dad and his sister who were always close for decades were barely on speaking terms in the run up to the last vote as my aunt is fiercely pro independence (car logo'ed up and all that jazz) and my dad thinks independence is a terrible idea. Once the vote was done things improved and normality resumed but with Sturgeon cracking about having yet another "once in a lifetime" vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
You would think looking at the fallout and problems Brexit has bestowed on us would give them a clue if its a good idea or not but hey ho
What’s the point in fighting about it? They can just vote whatever way they want, or not vote.
You don't know friends/family that fell out over the Brexit vote??
I agree, there's little point fighting about it. But many many people do
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Its also causing grief within families again. My dad and his sister who were always close for decades were barely on speaking terms in the run up to the last vote as my aunt is fiercely pro independence (car logo'ed up and all that jazz) and my dad thinks independence is a terrible idea. Once the vote was done things improved and normality resumed but with Sturgeon cracking about having yet another "once in a lifetime" vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
You would think looking at the fallout and problems Brexit has bestowed on us would give them a clue if its a good idea or not but hey ho
What’s the point in fighting about it? They can just vote whatever way they want, or not vote.
You don't know friends/family that fell out over the Brexit vote??
I agree, there's little point fighting about it. But many many people do
I do, and most of them don't need someone else to fall out with, a mirror in an empty room would suffice.
cheb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:54 pm
That's good enough for me. All we need to do out here is sink the ferries, and then live on a diet of potatoes and limpets.
From what I've read in recent months in Sea Breezes magazine (my wife has some strange subscriptions ) you don't need to sink 'em, just find the few that are still afloat and put them in for repair then cancel the build on any new ones that might have made it as far as the order book. It sounds a right mess!
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
cheb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:54 pm
That's good enough for me. All we need to do out here is sink the ferries, and then live on a diet of potatoes and limpets.
From what I've read in recent months in Sea Breezes magazine (my wife has some strange subscriptions ) you don't need to sink 'em, just find the few that are still afloat and put them in for repair then cancel the build on any new ones that might have made it as far as the order book. It sounds a right mess!
It's a proper clusterbourach. Classic governmental fuck up, and all the fault of the previous lot. Sturgeon took full responsibility and then promptly blamed a disgraced former minister. There's cronyism, bad budgeting, vote blaggery, design by committee, frequent changes of design, the whole works.
As an aside I've a mate who's SNP to the core, and also won't hear a word against Glasgow shipbuilders. It's hilarious when trying to discuss this with him. Apparently the whole shitstorm is Thatcher's fault as if she hadn't closed the yards there'd be more to chose from.
cheb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:54 pm
That's good enough for me. All we need to do out here is sink the ferries, and then live on a diet of potatoes and limpets.
From what I've read in recent months in Sea Breezes magazine (my wife has some strange subscriptions ) you don't need to sink 'em, just find the few that are still afloat and put them in for repair then cancel the build on any new ones that might have made it as far as the order book. It sounds a right mess!
It's a proper clusterbourach. Classic governmental fuck up, and all the fault of the previous lot. Sturgeon took full responsibility and then promptly blamed a disgraced former minister. There's cronyism, bad budgeting, vote blaggery, design by committee, frequent changes of design, the whole works.
As an aside I've a mate who's SNP to the core, and also won't hear a word against Glasgow shipbuilders. It's hilarious when trying to discuss this with him. Apparently the whole shitstorm is Thatcher's fault as if she hadn't closed the yards there'd be more to chose from.
I was just reading about a Shetland ferry built in Troon (the St Clair). Served for 20 years, then sold and carried on working in far distant seas. So, once upon a time you could design, then build a quite sophisticated, overnight cargo packet for use in exposed waters....in Troon. (Got replaced by ro-ro's as needs changed).
Not sure what needs designing, never mind by committee, there's loads of existing designs they could have used.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
cheb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:53 pm
What happens when Devon demands a royalty on every pasty sold, they did invent it after all?
They might claim they invented it, but they are unlikely to convince the Cornish. Nor get any royalty, if necessary we will invade Devon and reclaim ALL the Stannaries. They are all heathens who cannot be trusted to serve a split without getting the jam and cream reversed
JackyJoll wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:21 pm
What’s the point in fighting about it? They can just vote whatever way they want, or not vote.
Unfortunately my aunt is extremely vocal about it so ANY conversation ends up being steered towards the subject which my dad finds exhausting and annoying so yet again they are very distant and have little or no contact rather than fighting. Prior to the referendum saga they would have dinner all together pretty much every weekend. Its a shame
From what I've read in recent months in Sea Breezes magazine (my wife has some strange subscriptions ) you don't need to sink 'em, just find the few that are still afloat and put them in for repair then cancel the build on any new ones that might have made it as far as the order book. It sounds a right mess!
It's a proper clusterbourach. Classic governmental fuck up, and all the fault of the previous lot. Sturgeon took full responsibility and then promptly blamed a disgraced former minister. There's cronyism, bad budgeting, vote blaggery, design by committee, frequent changes of design, the whole works.
As an aside I've a mate who's SNP to the core, and also won't hear a word against Glasgow shipbuilders. It's hilarious when trying to discuss this with him. Apparently the whole shitstorm is Thatcher's fault as if she hadn't closed the yards there'd be more to chose from.
I was just reading about a Shetland ferry built in Troon (the St Clair). Served for 20 years, then sold and carried on working in far distant seas. So, once upon a time you could design, then build a quite sophisticated, overnight cargo packet for use in exposed waters....in Troon. (Got replaced by ro-ro's as needs changed).
Not sure what needs designing, never mind by committee, there's loads of existing designs they could have used.
AIUI the Glen Sannox and hull 802 started off as identical sister ships. Metal was cut for both so construction could begin apace, then one got a slight redesign for some reason so the cut metal was the wrong shape.
Its also causing grief within families again. My dad and his sister who were always close for decades were barely on speaking terms in the run up to the last vote as my aunt is fiercely pro independence (car logo'ed up and all that jazz) and my dad thinks independence is a terrible idea. Once the vote was done things improved and normality resumed but with Sturgeon cracking about having yet another "once in a lifetime" vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
You would think looking at the fallout and problems Brexit has bestowed on us would give them a clue if its a good idea or not but hey ho
What’s the point in fighting about it? They can just vote whatever way they want, or not vote.
You don't know friends/family that fell out over the Brexit vote??
vote a few years on hostilities have resumed.
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) you don't need to sink 'em, just find the few that are still afloat and put them in for repair then cancel the build on any new ones that might have made it as far as the order book. It sounds a right mess!
