I do find it incredible that people actually vote for this fuckwit. Who then proceeded to tear up the half decent deal that Theresa May had and used his oven ready version that even leaders from other countries are amazed that the UK went with
I know I don't know much about politics. And I don't trust politicians. I tend to stay out of these arguments because what I say always seems a bit naive, just because I do not understand how they all get away with so much lying and deceit - but someone put this up on FB and I've disliked Boris Johnson for many years due to his lies and ability to say what is best for him, not what is best for the town/city/country.
HTF is he the best that could be voted for?? Why didn't people see him for a two faced lying shitbag when he was showing off his bus? Was there really no better person to lead or are all politicians two faced lying shitbags just in it for the money?
I am aware that this probably isn't a true comment, however I'm pretty sure he wasn't in favour of Brexit till it offered him chance and money
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Only 127 fuel drivers from overseas have applied for temporary visas aimed at tackling shortages, the Prime Minister has said.
Boris Johnson said the haulage industry had "only produced 127 names so far" in response to the government's scheme, which is aiming for 300 drivers.
To which I would reply that Bozo has, once again, got the wrong end of the stick. Why would they even bother to come to the UK if there is a global shortage of HGV drivers? Surely they would be needed in their own countries?
Maybe it's the "no foreigners here" attitude that the UK is promoting post brexit.
You really can't trust the meeja. First the BBC, then The Express - now The Times!
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:46 am
The UK governments of my lifetime have only ever reacted to things that happen.
On top of that, the Tory party didn't want or expect Brexit, as soon as it happened anyone holding the reigns dropped them and ran off.
Labour actually wanted it but didn't dare say so, and they weren't capable of winning an election anyway.
Looking to the government to fix your problems is wishful thinking, and expecting them to plan in advance for them is barmy.
Sounds like excuses.
The vote was five years ago - this is when the baseless promises were made and the reality decried as project fear.
Once that decision was made this train was going to arrive at the station - covid has just delayed it a bit.
If visas are being offered then just maybe it's not Brexit to blame, that leaves the pandemic and IR35.
Lorry drivers aren't staying away because of Brexit and any anti-EU sentiment, they are staying away because they will make less money since April this year when the Labour changes to tax took full effect (specifically affecting private sector agency workers).
That tax has a big effect on agency workers so it might well include meat processors. The answer for companies hasn't changed, they need to raise pay rates to counter the extra tax if they want those workers.
Potter wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:22 am
... a lot of the brexit voters were doing so on the back of a complaint that the UK was being propped up by foreigners, so they sat by for five years waiting to be proved right. N
The Brexit moral high ground destroyed in 2 sentences there. Have to be proved right before moving on in a considered manner. I can accept that, being right is nice innit? But you'd still think there would be some substance to this oven-ready plan? Ready to thwack on the table?
All Boris has got is going cap in hand back to forrin truckers and oh dear they've told him to feck off.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:17 am
Sounds like excuses.
The vote was five years ago - this is when the baseless promises were made and the reality decried as project fear.
Once that decision was made this train was going to arrive at the station - covid has just delayed it a bit.
Like I said, you keep blatantly ignoring that a lot of the brexit voters were doing so on the back of a complaint that the UK was being propped up by foreigners, so they sat by for five years waiting to be proved right.
I remember it vividly back at the old place all those years ago. Remainers warning of the consequences of leaving the EU, Brexiters in agreement that UK industries would find themselves in dire straits as they struggled to meet demand due to not being able to recruit workers.
We all got on so well that there were hardly any Brexit threads at all
Mussels wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:25 amThe answer for companies hasn't changed, they need to raise pay rates to counter the extra tax if they want those workers.
This.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
The current situation is, without doubt, down to our being in the EU. Not down to our leaving the EU but our membership of it.
All the time we spent in the EU saw the gradual erosion of quality people in Parliament. Let's face it, with Brussels calling all the shots, the Mother of all Parliaments didn't have much to do, a bit of tinkering with domestic policies, play with the tax system a bit, reduce the armed forces while taking on a bit of deputy work for the world's policeman and not much else. Is it any wonder that now, when strong leadership is needed, a robust Opposition is essential and clear ideas about the way forward are vital, we have the most useless bunch of politicians in Parliament in living memory.
They've been there for a few years. they called the referendum, they failed miserably in arguing the case (for either side) and they failed to plan for either outcome. They are, basically, a useless bunch of self serving tossers. And no, I didn't vote for any of the fuckin' wankers in the last election.
Boris is a tosser leading a bunch of tossers. Starmer is a woke tosser leading a bunch of anachronistic tossers who don't even understand the meaning of the word Opposition. They say you get the government you deserve. How true is that statement today. Stand for election at the next opportunity DefTrap, you have all the answers and I'd vote for you! Hoonercat, come back to the UK - your country needs you! Or am I the only person that thinks you'd be better than the current crop of wankers?
Membership of the EU caused, permitted, allowed Parliament to be filled with . . . nobodies. It's gonna take a bit of time to sort that out guys. It needs good, smart people to take over the reins (they're going to need to be persuaded) and get us out of the shit and anyone who thinks the wankers that got us into the shit in the first place can do it is every bit as deluded as those wankers.
You're going to need patience. And maybe bribery. You certainly don't need most or the tossers you've currently got. Now stop whinging and saying I told you so, put your money where your mouth is and start campaigning for a seat in Parliament so you can sort things out. You're country needs you, not Romanians with a LGV licence and slaughterhouse experience.
Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:10 pm they called the referendum, they failed miserably in arguing the case (for either side) and they failed to plan for either outcome.
Two sides to the vote:
Remain, who either didn't understand the issues, or did but were content with the status quo.
Leave, who had any number of different reasons and levels of understanding, some believing the various promises, some not.
No-one could really predict what would happen. But they neither side really even tried.
Although, there might be one exception?
Farage is now offering financial [not] advice, re-using the 'take back control' slogan. So, take [not] advice on your finances from the man who famously described himself as 'skint'? Perhaps he might predict where that will get you ...
Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:10 pm they called the referendum, they failed miserably in arguing the case (for either side) and they failed to plan for either outcome.
Remain, who either didn't understand the issues, or did but were content with the status quo.
Or thought that we should stay and make it work better. (I believe this was also Thatcher's approach).
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:10 pm they called the referendum, they failed miserably in arguing the case (for either side) and they failed to plan for either outcome.
Remain, who either didn't understand the issues, or did but were content with the status quo.
Or thought that we should stay and make it work better. (I believe this was also Thatcher's approach).
No, that one was already dead when we had pre-Brexit negotiations to get a 'better' deal (which ene fule kno was never going to happen).
Perhaps setting a precedent or omen for the subsequent downward spiral of recent trade deals.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:18 pm
Or thought that we should stay and make it work better. (I believe this was also Thatcher's approach).
That one was dead in the water. We accepted the changes that meant we didn't have a veto.
TBH the whole Europe thing has been a fiasco. The original Common Market idea was good, we don't tax their goods to buggery, they do the same for us. Then the idiots took over. A United States of Europe is the aim, and it is getting closer. Personally I think that is a VERY bad idea, for about 1001 reasons.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:18 pm
Or thought that we should stay and make it work better. (I believe this was also Thatcher's approach).
That one was dead in the water. We accepted the changes that meant we didn't have a veto.
TBH the whole Europe thing has been a fiasco. The original Common Market idea was good, we don't tax their goods to buggery, they do the same for us. Then the idiots took over. A United States of Europe is the aim, and it is getting closer. Personally I think that is a VERY bad idea, for about 1001 reasons.
The adoption of the €euro (Maastricht Treaty) crowned the fiasco and the Lisbon Treaty baked the dysfunctional EU bureaucracy into every participating countrys democratic and economic system.
Yambo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:10 pm
The current situation is, without doubt, down to our being in the EU. Not down to our leaving the EU but our membership of it.
All the time we spent in the EU saw the gradual erosion of quality people in Parliament. Let's face it, with Brussels calling all the shots, the Mother of all Parliaments didn't have much to do, a bit of tinkering with domestic policies, play with the tax system a bit, reduce the armed forces while taking on a bit of deputy work for the world's policeman and not much else. Is it any wonder that now, when strong leadership is needed, a robust Opposition is essential and clear ideas about the way forward are vital, we have the most useless bunch of politicians in Parliament in living memory.
They've been there for a few years. they called the referendum, they failed miserably in arguing the case (for either side) and they failed to plan for either outcome. They are, basically, a useless bunch of self serving tossers. And no, I didn't vote for any of the fuckin' wankers in the last election.
Boris is a tosser leading a bunch of tossers. Starmer is a woke tosser leading a bunch of anachronistic tossers who don't even understand the meaning of the word Opposition. They say you get the government you deserve. How true is that statement today. Stand for election at the next opportunity DefTrap, you have all the answers and I'd vote for you! Hoonercat, come back to the UK - your country needs you! Or am I the only person that thinks you'd be better than the current crop of wankers?
Membership of the EU caused, permitted, allowed Parliament to be filled with . . . nobodies. It's gonna take a bit of time to sort that out guys. It needs good, smart people to take over the reins (they're going to need to be persuaded) and get us out of the shit and anyone who thinks the wankers that got us into the shit in the first place can do it is every bit as deluded as those wankers.
You're going to need patience. And maybe bribery. You certainly don't need most or the tossers you've currently got. Now stop whinging and saying I told you so, put your money where your mouth is and start campaigning for a seat in Parliament so you can sort things out. You're country needs you, not Romanians with a LGV licence and slaughterhouse experience.
This ^^^ is what you get as a result. Not only in the UK, but in every country in the European Union. No EU government can make decisions without the blessing of the Brussels hierarchy, but the Brussels hierarchy cannot make decisions without the acquiescence of EU member countries. Not difficult to see the dichotomy here.
The European Union is fundamentally dysfunctional but can neither go forwards nor can it go back.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
What a load of rot.
A whole host of national governments are fooked and it's all the EU's fault? What all of them? There are some quite successful governments that disprove this 'fact' that you old fools blithely trot out. This is your generation of failure don't forget, maybe that's the problem here?
DefTrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:46 pm
What a load of rot.
A whole host of national governments are fooked and it's all the EU's fault? What all of them? There are some quite successful governments that disprove this 'fact' that you old fools blithely trot out. This is your generation of failure don't forget, maybe that's the problem here?
You evidently did not notice that I was referring specifically to members of the EU.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:25 pm
TBH the whole Europe thing has been a fiasco. The original Common Market idea was good, we don't tax their goods to buggery, they do the same for us. Then the idiots took over. A United States of Europe is the aim, and it is getting closer. Personally I think that is a VERY bad idea, for about 1001 reasons.
Still, its better than continuing the sequence of wars than led to it's initiation.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:18 pm
Or thought that we should stay and make it work better. (I believe this was also Thatcher's approach).
That one was dead in the water. We accepted the changes that meant we didn't have a veto.
There's more to politics than throwing your toys out of the pram and shouting 'veto' whenever you don't like something. Persuasion, wheeler-dealing, logical argument etc. Germany seems to wield influence without pulling the plug every 5 minutes.
Lots needed reform. The parliament was a bit of a sick joke when you look at the dross that we (and others) send to it. It's rather droll that our turkeys voted for Christmas and got themselves hoiked off the gravy train.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:25 pm
TBH the whole Europe thing has been a fiasco. The original Common Market idea was good, we don't tax their goods to buggery, they do the same for us. Then the idiots took over. A United States of Europe is the aim, and it is getting closer. Personally I think that is a VERY bad idea, for about 1001 reasons.
Still, its better than continuing the sequence of wars than led to it's initiation.
Most of those were down to France and Germany. Who are the leading lights/drivers in the EU? Same mindset, different people.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:29 am
There's more to politics than throwing your toys out of the pram and shouting 'veto' whenever you don't like something. Persuasion, wheeler-dealing, logical argument etc. Germany seems to wield influence without pulling the plug every 5 minutes.
Lots needed reform. The parliament was a bit of a sick joke when you look at the dross that we (and others) send to it. It's rather droll that our turkeys voted for Christmas and got themselves hoiked off the gravy train.
There is a lot more, and assorted PMs tried hard to make it work to no avail.
Essentially the EU is non-democratic, the Commission wield the power, the 'democracy' bit is window dressing with no power.
slowsider wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:17 am
Still, its better than continuing the sequence of wars than led to it's initiation.
I think NATO has probably been more of a deterrent to european countries getting all shouty with each other than EU membership.
Trading relationships have never really precluded a country's agression. I'm not entirely certain of this but I would hazard a guess that France was Germany's biggest trading partner in 1939.
