Pfizer vaccine approved

[weeksy]

I think you're right, I also think the number who'll genuinely object could be counted on one hand. I can't see that many of them would need to be coerced.

So if you want that as some kind of "aha, gotcha!" evidence that young people are being forced againt their will to take experimental drugs, go ahead. It wouldn't really do much to change my assessment.

So we agree that some people may not want to take it, but they will under duress to enable them to keep their job and pay check.

Thats ALL my point was and I was right - how fucking difficult was it to move you to agree that point.

You know in some care homes being vaccinated against things like flu is already a compulsory requirement...

And under the circumstances seems a fairly reasonable request to me.

You can't work with high risk patients if you don't take it. I see that as common sense

[Wreckless Rat]

and some councils etc insist you are vaccinated to work on sewers etc. No jabby jabby, no jobby jobby...

so what's the difference?

If you work on the rail, you can be subject to random drug testing, which can pick up drugs you have taken in your free time.

Meh... with some jobs come some responsibility, don't like it, find a different job.,

[Horse]

I think it supports suggestions that you are trolling.

Then you need to tell me the definition of trolling because I'm about a whisker away from fucking this forum off. If you post anything that contradicts what the clique has posted here then the reply come back as "trolling".

I've asked you if you think young people working in care homes will be told that can only keep their jobs if they take the vaccine. I think they probably will and I asked your opinion. If asking that question is trolling them don't answer and I'll fuck off because this forum has rules I can't understand.

People doing it for themselves!
- carers
Given
- given
Forced
- really?
They'll get fired otherwise
- evidence?
Bound to happen

But rather than you supporting it, you divert attention by putting the question onto me. Then you ask me what trolling is.

[Nidge]

Amidst all the accusations of trollery I think there’s a couple of interesting points of debate here. Is acceptance of a vaccine simply altruistic or is it really just self-serving? Should people be coerced for the “greater good”?

It’s made me examine my motives a little deeper and it would be a shame if the debate was stifled

[weeksy]

Anticipated is a more suitable word.
I anticipate that young care workers will be given no choice about taking the vaccine if they want to keep their jobs.

What do you think?

I think it supports suggestions that you are trolling.

Then you need to tell me the definition of trolling because I'm about a whisker away from fucking this forum off. If you post anything that contradicts what the clique has posted here then the reply come back as "trolling".

I've asked you if you think young people working in care homes will be told that can only keep their jobs if they take the vaccine. I think they probably will and I asked your opinion. If asking that question is trolling them don't answer and I'll fuck off because this forum has rules I can't understand.

Rules wtf. None of this discussion is either in or out of the rules. People are debating, some well, sone badly.

But none of what happening has anything to do with any forum rules

[Mr. Dazzle]

Amidst all the accusations of trollery I think there’s a couple of interesting points of debate here. Is acceptance of a vaccine simply altruistic or is it really just self-serving? Should people be coerced for the “greater good”?

It’s made me examine my motives a little deeper and it would be a shame if the debate was stifled

In all seriousness this is a question I've been asking myself too. As I said earlier, if other restrictions are applied is that just me chickening out of forcing people and deferring the responsibility to someone else?

I've also been thinking that we already live with a shit load of restrictions on our lives for the greater good, we call them laws. This is nothing new.

[Potter]

Rules wtf. None of this discussion is either in or out of the rules. People are debating, some well, sone badly.

But none of what happening has anything to do with any forum rules

Not your rules, mob rules.

[Potter]

If a disease came along that 90% only affected millennials, do you think the boomers would have stopped the world to help you?

[Mr. Dazzle]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

[Potter]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

I think the sacrifice made by young people is the biggest sacrifice made by any generation since WW2.

Their education disrupted, their chances of jobs for the ones leaving school, their higher qualifications, their social lives at a crucial point in their lives, the loss of jobs at the start of their careers, the loss of businesses that young people took a chance on, lives ruined before they even got started properly, etc, etc.

My boy lost his apprenticeship over it, my daughter lost a job.
The likelihood of them dying from covid is less than them being eaten by a shark but their generation has born the brunt.

I hope the boomers are grateful for their sacrifice.

[Yorick]

I anticipate that young care workers will be given no choice about taking the vaccine if they want to keep their jobs.

What do you think?

If I was in hospital with serious problems, and there were 2 available nurses. One with the jab and one without. Guess which I would pick

[Potter]

If I was in hospital with serious problems, and there were 2 available nurses. One with the jab and one without. Guess which I would pick

The one with the biggest tits?

[Hoonercat]

Social care workers are advised to have the flu jab, but not forced. The same will apply to Covid, although obviously that could change

People eligible for a COVID-19 vaccine, including health and social care staff, will not be forced to get their vaccination, the UK governments have confirmed.
This clarification follows the news yesterday morning (December 2) that the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has been approved, with NHS staff set to start administering it as early as next week.

Speaking in parliament yesterday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that while he “strongly urges people” to get the vaccine, “it is no part of our culture or our ambition in this country to make vaccines mandatory”.

https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/ne ... onfirmed.


Flu:

Refusing to be vaccinated
It’s important that as many health and social care workers as possible get the vaccine – it protects you, your family, and the people you care for from the flu – but if you don’t want to have the vaccine for whatever reason, you don’t have to have it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... e-workers

That being said, given the amount of staff who will be on zero hours contracts, employers can simply not give hours to staff who haven't had the vaccine, should they wish to do so and assuming they can find replacement cover of course.

[Gedge]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

I think the sacrifice made by young people is the biggest sacrifice made by any generation since WW2.

Their education disrupted, their chances of jobs for the ones leaving school, their higher qualifications, their social lives at a crucial point in their lives, the loss of jobs at the start of their careers, the loss of businesses that young people took a chance on, lives ruined before they even got started properly, etc, etc.

My boy lost his apprenticeship over it, my daughter lost a job.
The likelihood of them dying from covid is less than them being eaten by a shark but their generation has born the brunt.

I hope the boomers are grateful for their sacrifice.

Grateful? We didn’t ask them to make any sacrifice ..if they had left the student union bar and voted there might be a different government ( although I doubt the lockdown and it’s effects would be any different) ..or they could do what they have been doing all along and ignore the rules the rest of society were following thereby extending the restrictions and increasing the spread of the virus ..

[Greenman]

Anticipated is a more suitable word.
I anticipate that young care workers will be given no choice about taking the vaccine if they want to keep their jobs.

What do you think?

I think you're right, I also think the number who'll genuinely object could be counted on one hand. I can't see that many of them would need to be coerced.

So if you want that as some kind of "aha, gotcha!" evidence that young people are being forced againt their will to take experimental drugs, go ahead. It wouldn't really do much to change my assessment.

Because you have been brainwashed by 'the man' and you think everyone else is wrong?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

I think the sacrifice made by young people is the biggest sacrifice made by any generation since WW2.

Their education disrupted, their chances of jobs for the ones leaving school, their higher qualifications, their social lives at a crucial point in their lives, the loss of jobs at the start of their careers, the loss of businesses that young people took a chance on, lives ruined before they even got started properly, etc, etc.

My boy lost his apprenticeship over it, my daughter lost a job.
The likelihood of them dying from covid is less than them being eaten by a shark but their generation has born the brunt.

I hope the boomers are grateful for their sacrifice.

Grateful? We didn’t ask them to make any sacrifice ..if they had left the student union bar and voted there might be a different government ( although I doubt the lockdown and it’s effects would be any different) ..or they could do what they have been doing all along and ignore the rules the rest of society were following thereby extending the restrictions and increasing the spread of the virus ..

Voice of the boomers speaks and says it all.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Because you have been brainwashed by 'the man' and you think everyone else is wrong?

Everyone except our glorious leader, yes.

[Greenman]

So we agree that some people may not want to take it, but they will under duress to enable them to keep their job and pay check.

Thats ALL my point was and I was right - how fucking difficult was it to move you to agree that point.

You know in some care homes being vaccinated against things like flu is already a compulsory requirement...

And under the circumstances seems a fairly reasonable request to me.

You can't work with high risk patients if you don't take it. I see that as common sense

It's common sense to you that we potentially force good qualified people out of a job we desperately need them in just because they have made the choice to vaccine their own?

Strange.

If the gov force this upon us and put restrictions on travel, nightlife etc there will be riots and i will right at the front.

[Mr. Dazzle]

OK so thibk of it this way greeny....

Would you be OK with a surgeon operating on you without washing their hands first?

How about something simpler...buying food from a restaurant that didn't wash it's plates between meals? How about one where they just lick the plates clean?

It's their choice after all.

As for forcing qualified people out of jobs. If they have any sort of medical or care experience and qualifications they'll know why they should be taking it. It really is a non issue IMO.

[Yorick]

If I was in hospital with serious problems, and there were 2 available nurses. One with the jab and one without. Guess which I would pick

The one with the biggest tits?

I go private. They all have nice tits