Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Vroomy]

Current electric cars just don't fit the bill for me either. Style matters, and range anxiety is a real concern.

[Taipan]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

[Sadlonelygit]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

[Taipan]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

My bad, I should have said killed not murdered…

[Mussels]

I suspect like one someone murders an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Murder has to be premeditated, so unless you have machine gun nests set up with a killing zone in the kitchen/diner, more likely to be manslaughter, which in the course of defending you and yours, is hard to prove, unless you batter the fucker after they have ceased resisting or chase them down and inflict instant justice!

I thought the difference was that murder is an intentional act be it premeditated or not, manslaughter is unintentional.
These definitions are probably flexible depending on the amount of social media outrage but neither is as bad as cutting down a Sycamore tree.

[Saga Lout]

I thought the difference was that murder is an intentional act be it premeditated or not, manslaughter is unintentional.
These definitions are probably flexible depending on the amount of social media outrage but neither is as bad as cutting down a Sycamore tree.

Yebutt. Sycamore trees don't just grow on...

Oh. As you were.

[Yambo]

I suspect like one someone murders (kills) an intruder, they get charged so their innocence can be proven?

Nobody has to prove their innocence, the state has to prove their guilt.

[Pirahna]

I've had two friends killed and the killers then convicted of manslaughter. One of them I'll put a link below, the first was back in the 80's. A friend, Colin McGregor, had words with a couple of pikies in a pub in Wood Green, London. The pikies went back to their caravans and when Colin left the pub they were waiting outside with a baseball bat each and beat him to death. They didn't mean to kill him, only teach him a lesson, both got seven years.

Ray Eden: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sou ... e-14509571

[Taipan]

I've had two friends killed and the killers then convicted of manslaughter. One of them I'll put a link below, the first was back in the 80's. A friend, Colin McGregor, had words with a couple of pikies in a pub in Wood Green, London. The pikies went back to their caravans and when Colin left the pub they were waiting outside with a baseball bat each and beat him to death. They didn't mean to kill him, only teach him a lesson, both got seven years.

Ray Eden: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sou ... e-14509571

4years and 9 months! Ffs I bet he was out after 3 years.

[Taipan]

NHS dropping leccy ambulances as they only get 70 miles to a 4 hour charge, compared to an ice 800 miles and refill in minutes.

[Horse]

One news story (DM & Telegraph seem to have similar, word for word) says:

Standard ambulances can cover up to 800 miles a day

Later in the article:

Standard ambulances cover 800 miles a day

That's a continuous 33mph for 24 hours, non-stop. Doesn't sound realistic, unless at the very top end of 'up to' and solely involving very long, high-speed, transfers.

On calls I attend, crews typically spend an hour at the scene. Even on a recent incident where they needed to get going to A&E very quickly, it was probably at least 20 minutes from arriving to leaving.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Probably makes more sense as a sentence if you replace "can" with "could". As in, they could do that, but they don't. I'd guess in Central London for example they do like 2.8 miles a day or whatever.

I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

Wouldn't be my first choice of EV application.

[Horse]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

[Slenver]

NHS dropping leccy ambulances

Have you got a link? All I can find are several sites saying the NHS are expanding their trials to more areas.

[Rockburner]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

I suspect the issue is charging times, rather than range.

[Yorick]

Couldn't the ambulance plug in at the house at each call?

Then have bit more time to care for each patient.

Wins all round

[Horse]

Couldn't the ambulance plug in at the house at each call?

Then have bit more time to care for each patient.

Wins all round

Only if he doesn't take power from the kettle

[Mr. Dazzle]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

If you were gonna trial it, surely you'd do it in London or Birmingham etc. Somewhere which had lots and lots of small stop-start journeys which are ideal for an EV, not out in the sticks. Double whammy cause the fuel savings somewhere like that would be way more significant.

[Horse]

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I would imagine the problem with an ambulance is the uncertainty of when you need it. Plus the absolutely piss poor planning of the NHS

There's a surprising amount of planning required for ambulance despatch. It's not just what's nearest, also needs to account for imminent breaks, etc.

And that's assuming they're not stacked up at A&E.

Longest drive I've heard of is 45 minutes / 25+ miles, cross-country.

If you were gonna trial it, surely you'd do it in London or Birmingham etc. Somewhere which had lots and lots of small stop-start journeys which are ideal for an EV, not out in the sticks. Double whammy cause the fuel savings somewhere like that would be way more significant.

Same article [DM]:

Richard Webber, a paramedic and spokesman for the College of Paramedics, told the Telegraph: 'I think they really need to produce the evidence that this is safe before this is rolled out beyond urban areas.

The inference being that the current trials are in urban areas?

Perhaps install induction charge points at A&E?

[Slenver]

If you were gonna trial it, surely you'd do it in London or Birmingham etc. Somewhere which had lots and lots of small stop-start journeys which are ideal for an EV, not out in the sticks. Double whammy cause the fuel savings somewhere like that would be way more significant.

That's what they've been doing though, I believe. Trialled initially up north and now in a few other places.

I just spoke to a mate of mine who's just left the ambulances in London. He says they worked really well as most shifts cover around 30 miles. They also had some fast-response cars (Ford Mach-E's) which were very popular.

He said the main issue is actually that the ambos are run 24 hours... daytime 12-hr shift hands straight over to 12-hr night shift, so there's not much time for charging. Said it worked well enough in London though with chargers on station.

TBH, the articles out today all read as the same alarmist bollocks. They're trialled them in cities where they worked, but the range isn't enough currently for them to be used in the countryside. So they won't be, I assume. The DM/Express/Telegraph have made this into headlines that say everyone's going to die, but what they really mean is 'successful trials probably won't be extended outside of cities'. That's my reading of it, anyway, and it's all pretty standard for the right-wing gutter press. Not seen any articles in 'real' newspapers so far.