I prefer to think of the parallel with Ukraine. Big nasty England bullying poor little Cornwall.
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That's fine, just don't get too pleased to be there, you might block out the higher shelves
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I think there's a multitude of reasons, and it's not just tomatoes that are effected. According to the GuardianCount Steer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:10 pm There is a whiff of bullshit about this weather thing. Some weeks ago I heard a chap from Thanet Earth saying they were ramping up imports rather than use the heating - although they do have CHP, so maybe it's more £ to sell the power? Labour problems too. It's not that long ago £320,000 worth of toms went to compost because they hadn't got the labour.
Maybe what we're seeing is the normal level of imports and nothing home grown on the shelves?
This has led to UK retailers being more reliant on Spain and Morocco than they would usually be, but adverse weather has cut their production. Another issue is that the Netherlands, like the UK, have also cut winter production due to high energy costs, and Germany, the 2nd largest importer of tomatoes on the planet, usually imports over 50% of its tommies from the Netherlands, so they're now more reliant on other countries while providing a much bigger market (over twice the import value of the UK). Add in France, the 3rd largest importer in the world, neighbour to Spain and Morocco's most important tommie export destination and you can see why the UK market isn't as important financially or as attractive logistically, in the case of Morocco.The president of the National Farmers’ Union (NFU), Minette Batters, told the union’s annual conference on Tuesday that “domestic production of salad, including cucumbers and tomatoes, has fallen to its lowest level since records began in 1985”.
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S'ok, another few weeks and it'll all be over, according to the environment secretary.
Great. The Govt, having ignored the warnings last year, will have discussions with the retailers, who also ignored the warnings last yearSpeaking in the Commons, Ms Coffey told MPs she anticipated "the situation will last about another two to four weeks".
Ministers were talking to retailers about how to avoid such problems in the future, she added.
"It is why there will be further discussions led by ministers as well, so that we can try and get over this and try and avoid similar situations in the future."
Philip Pearson, APS Group director, the UK’s largest tomato producer:
We did say, as an industry, last year: ‘If you don’t support us through the winter you will have empty shelves,’” Pearson says. “Government didn’t listen, our customers didn’t listen, nobody listened.
"I don’t want to sound ‘I told you so,’ as that doesn’t help anybody, but we are where we were worried we would end up"
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That's a pretty silly comment coming from a self professed mental health professional who evidently does not understand the psychology of panic buying.Docca wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:07 amI wonder if the farm shop imports their produce? No? Then that’s a pretty silly comment. Hopefully your farm shop can supply 67m people.
I don’t think you’ve understood the issue at hand. ‘I’m alright, Jack’
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Got to hand it to Brexiters, they were absolutely correct when they said sending the buggers back would result in higher salaries...
Brexit has also added cost to operations, predominantly through the additional cost of employing seasonal workers. In 2022, companies were required to pay workers coming to the UK on the post-Brexit seasonal worker scheme from overseas an additional 60p an hour on top of the government’s national minimum wage, a decision which Pearson said cost the company “millions” more.
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I know its page 14 and I can't be arsed to got back over it all, but has anyone said "Fuck all" yet?
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That might be just a weeny bit difficult given that I know neither ... oh, the post this was a reply to was deleted.
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Since when did the availability of seasonal produce out of season become so critical?
A few years ago it was frowned upon as it fueled global warming, now it seems to be a human right.
A few years ago it was frowned upon as it fueled global warming, now it seems to be a human right.
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Its funny you mention that actually cos although it would take ages it seems that chances are starting.
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OK, so the issue of re-joining has been raised. You know my views on Brexit (good) and the EU (bad) so i won't bore anyone with them again. Doesn't alter the fact we are playing a game, and we have to play with the hand we have now, not the one we had a few years ago, or the one we might have in a few years time. Moaning about it doesn't help.demographic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:32 pmIts funny you mention that actually cos although it would take ages it seems that chances are starting.
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Of course we will end up rejoining. It's just a question of how soon.
We'll have to rejoin on the same terms as Romania etc. Our golden ticket has been Brexited away. But that's not an entirely bad thing, the UK had too much privilege anyway.
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Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaMyLittleStudPony wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:04 pm Of course we will end up rejoining. It's just a question of how soon.
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It will happen by stages. First of all there will be increasing regulatory and tariff alignment to lessen the negative effects of being outside the customs union and single market. Over time we will align ourselves to the point where there is no longer any reason not to be part of the CU and SM, and then we will officially join them. I believe (and hope) that this will happen in my lifetime. After that it gets more difficult.
When we left the EU we also forfeited some particularly advantageous terms, relative to other member states. These included keeping our own currency, remaining outside the Schengen area and receiving a thumping rebate on member contributions, courtesy of Maggie Thatcher. If ever we apply to rejoin, I would be very surprised if we were able to get those benefits back. Keeping the pound Sterling, perhaps; staying outside Schengen, very unlikely; getting a rebate, no fucking chance. For those reasons I can't see us fully rejoining the EU until there has been a generational change. I hope I'm wrong.
When we left the EU we also forfeited some particularly advantageous terms, relative to other member states. These included keeping our own currency, remaining outside the Schengen area and receiving a thumping rebate on member contributions, courtesy of Maggie Thatcher. If ever we apply to rejoin, I would be very surprised if we were able to get those benefits back. Keeping the pound Sterling, perhaps; staying outside Schengen, very unlikely; getting a rebate, no fucking chance. For those reasons I can't see us fully rejoining the EU until there has been a generational change. I hope I'm wrong.
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Well, Nicola is going to be at a loose end soon, to give support in the fightCousin Jack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:22 pmI prefer to think of the parallel with Ukraine. Big nasty England bullying poor little Cornwall.
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I don't think Cornwall is quite ready for the poison dwarf. I certainly aren't.
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I think it's far more likely that the UK will become a full member of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:57 pm It will happen by stages. First of all there will be increasing regulatory and tariff alignment to lessen the negative effects of being outside the customs union and single market. Over time we will align ourselves to the point where there is no longer any reason not to be part of the CU and SM, and then we will officially join them. I believe (and hope) that this will happen in my lifetime. After that it gets more difficult.
When we left the EU we also forfeited some particularly advantageous terms, relative to other member states. These included keeping our own currency, remaining outside the Schengen area and receiving a thumping rebate on member contributions, courtesy of Maggie Thatcher. If ever we apply to rejoin, I would be very surprised if we were able to get those benefits back. Keeping the pound Sterling, perhaps; staying outside Schengen, very unlikely; getting a rebate, no fucking chance. For those reasons I can't see us fully rejoining the EU until there has been a generational change. I hope I'm wrong.
www.gov.uk wrote: CPTPP membership not only offers significant direct opportunities for UK exports, but it could also act as a gateway to the wider Indo-Pacific region, which is expected to account for the majority (56%) of global economic growth between 2019 and 2050.
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Of course. It makes such obvious economic and logistical sense to ignore a massive trading block on our doorstep with whom over 50% of our exports are transacted for an agreement with countries on the other side of the world and from whom we import far more than we export.
That is classic Brexiteer thinking and ideology. You will excuse me if I'm not in the slightest bit convinced.
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.irie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:39 pmI think it's far more likely that the UK will become a full member of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:57 pm It will happen by stages. First of all there will be increasing regulatory and tariff alignment to lessen the negative effects of being outside the customs union and single market. Over time we will align ourselves to the point where there is no longer any reason not to be part of the CU and SM, and then we will officially join them. I believe (and hope) that this will happen in my lifetime. After that it gets more difficult.
When we left the EU we also forfeited some particularly advantageous terms, relative to other member states. These included keeping our own currency, remaining outside the Schengen area and receiving a thumping rebate on member contributions, courtesy of Maggie Thatcher. If ever we apply to rejoin, I would be very surprised if we were able to get those benefits back. Keeping the pound Sterling, perhaps; staying outside Schengen, very unlikely; getting a rebate, no fucking chance. For those reasons I can't see us fully rejoining the EU until there has been a generational change. I hope I'm wrong.
www.gov.uk wrote: CPTPP membership not only offers significant direct opportunities for UK exports, but it could also act as a gateway to the wider Indo-Pacific region, which is expected to account for the majority (56%) of global economic growth between 2019 and 2050.