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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:22 pm
by Horse
An aside:
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:15 pm
It's another one of those "if it's obvious to a layperson how obvious do you think it is to the industry?" things.
Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:36 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
"Original" Teslas don't use any rare earth magnets for example, they used AC induction motors hence the name of the company. Model 3s and later
do have some rare earth in them but they'd work without it, just less well.
Rare earth free motors are absolutely possible, its just harder to make them "as good" as the easy to make motors right now. Supply/demand takes over and there you go...sorta like leaded petrol and asbestos brakes. Both of those are "better" but we've got some pretty spiffy ICE vehicles without them.
Low/no rare earth and no lithium cars are 100% in 'the plan' though. At least, they are in my office
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:08 pm
by wheelnut
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:22 pm
An aside:
Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.
…and hence a lot of manufacturers are abandoning plans for full automation.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:59 pm
by Horse
wheelnut wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:08 pm
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:22 pm
An aside:
Same happens with automated vehicles, the "Ah, yes, but what about ... ?" challenges.
…and hence a lot of manufacturers are abandoning plans for full automation.
Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development. There are many places where AVs are operating successfully. Markets such as quarrying / mining and agriculture are big investors. I've put plenty of examples in the AV thread in Staying Alive:
http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6096
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:52 pm
by wheelnut
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:59 pm
Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development.
I know, that’s exactly my point.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:18 pm
by Horse
wheelnut wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:52 pm
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:59 pm
Totally off topic now so briefly: on-road isn't the main focus of AV development.
I know, that’s exactly my point.
The emphasis hasn't
transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:52 pm
by Dodgy69
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:01 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
It's getting daft now
You're at the point where tyres are the limiting factor. That Tesla will probably be lighting its wheels up all the way to 200mph. That's not even an exaggeration!
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:03 pm
by Yambo
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:18 pm
The emphasis hasn't
transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.
I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?
What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:48 am
by Horse
Yambo wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:03 pm
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:18 pm
The emphasis hasn't
transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.
I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?
What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?
Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:43 am
by Pirahna
Horse wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:48 am
Yambo wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:03 pm
Horse wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:18 pm
The emphasis hasn't
transferred onto off-road, development has been going on there for ages, ahead of on-road. For example, agriculture has had GPS integration for accurative control of vehicles.
I know I'm thick an' all but is accurative one of those new words we're all supposed to know what it is/means as soon as they're used?
What's wrong with accurate? Is accurative different to accurate?
Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:59 pm
by Yambo
Horse wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:48 am
Serious answer is that it's a side effect of already suffering from nystagmus, then having covid which is worsening the problem, and then trying to editivate the text before postificationating it.
Ah got you. Geçmiş olsun!
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:43 am
by Horse
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:29 am
by Mr. Dazzle
You need that big throbbing set of pistons to give you more than a semi after all.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:02 pm
by Felix
Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:07 pm
by Slenver
Felix wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:02 pm
Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?
A diesel car apparently. Which is no great surprise seeing as petrol cars are 60x more likely to catch fire then EVs, supposedly.
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:08 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
Felix wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:02 pm
Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?
I saw this mentioned on LinkedIn - the same article immediately pointed out that the charging points are in the other car park, not the one which caught fire! We shall see.
In other LinkedIn news, Tesla are doing quite well. Their model Y is looking like it might be the best selling car of 2023.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ompetition
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:06 pm
by Stig
For three years I had a Tesla. I’ll never own an EV again so long as I can get fuel
Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:34 am
by Horse
Slenver wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:07 pm
Felix wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:02 pm
Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?
A diesel car apparently. Which is no great surprise seeing as petrol cars are 60x more likely to catch fire then EVs, supposedly.
Supposedly a LR Evoque
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:16 am
by Mussels
Slenver wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:07 pm
Felix wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:02 pm
Wonder if one caught fire at Luton Airport?
A diesel car apparently. Which is no great surprise seeing as petrol cars are 60x more likely to catch fire then EVs, supposedly.
Petrol might not be a surprise but diesel is.
People are far too quick to blame/exonerate EVs, this is an unusual event and the impact of EVs needs to be checked. If EVs make fires spread faster then it could make many car parks unsafe.