The Brexit thread

[Pirahna]

I'm in Ireland at the moment, there's other people posting on here from various parts of Europe, I've got friends spread all over too. Apparently there's a Europe wide shortage of drivers yet the only place that seems to be struggling to get stuff delivered is mainland UK. All Covid related obvs.

[DefTrap]

stay in the EU and pay lorry drivers a pittance and keep using forrin ones, then yes, it's Brexit's fault.

The option to pay more was always available surely? As was making conditions better.
Unless patriotic Britain was fine with allowing Romanian lorry drivers to shit in carrier bags on pitiful wages but not our own kings of the road.

[Cousin Jack]

But these days it's a single bloke in a tractor that does all the work, you can run a sprawling farm with less than half a dozen people,.................{?

In this part of the world it isn't a single farm, it is 20 small farms, up to 30 or 40 miles apart, all run by a big company. So we also get tractors towing farm machinery doing 30 miles on the main road, morning and night, to get from the base to the fields.

[Saga Lout]

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Oh and as a side note, they recently discovered (by examining the isotope makup in their tooth enamel) that some of the English archers on the Mary rose were more likely to have been Moors from North Africa and the Mediterranean.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... th-africa/

And Anne Boleyn was black as well.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

[DefTrap]

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

Lolz.
Just because you didn't get invited to the ghetto, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I've never drunk a pint of mild in a Northern pub with a miner, on his way home from brass band practice. Nor had my pockets felt by a cockernee tyke, after my pocket watch. I thought they were made up.

[slowsider]

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Oh and as a side note, they recently discovered (by examining the isotope makup in their tooth enamel) that some of the English archers on the Mary rose were more likely to have been Moors from North Africa and the Mediterranean.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... th-africa/

And Anne Boleyn was black as well.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

Perhaps you didn't get out much
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/what-e ... gland.html

[Docca]

The shoe pic was me last night trying to order some Onitsuka Lawnship NMs.

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[Horse]

And Anne Boleyn was black as well.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse ... pretty much the only black faces I saw

Are black people the full extent of your definition of 'ethnic' for diversity?

[demographic]

And Anne Boleyn was black as well.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

I would argue that it's the other way round, there seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has been just full of Brits and nobody else despite any evidence to the contrary and our royalty being foreign for hundreds of years.

I just pointed out that not ALL workers were natives as had been suggested and then gave an instance where people might be surprised that crew members off the Mary Rose weren't born bred and buttered in England. Kind of triggers some people that one, no idea why.

[Mr. Dazzle]

North West mining towns are famous for their ethnic diversity even today of course

[wheelnut]

Paying UK lorry drivers more = prices go up.

I think that outcome would happen regardless of Brexit, unless you mean stay in the EU and pay lorry drivers a pittance and keep using forrin ones, then yes, it's Brexit's fault.

I think the employment market is more global than it used to be, although that doesn’t mean I’m in favour of poor pay and conditions.

As an aside, isn’t your chosen part of the world famous for abusing migrant workers?

[DefTrap]

I'm in Ireland at the moment, there's other people posting on here from various parts of Europe, I've got friends spread all over too. Apparently there's a Europe wide shortage of drivers yet the only place that seems to be struggling to get stuff delivered is mainland UK. All Covid related obvs.

There's only so many fall-guys that the government can blame -
- Covid, obviously
- er, the EU?
- erm, previous Labour policy?
- oh, something about it being years of someone else's fault, the industry?, something a bit vague, something about there being actually being no shortages
- er, oh shit

But yeah, the government are doing their best and oh CORBYN!!, marxists!, champagne-socialists!

[Saga Lout]

North West mining towns are famous for their ethnic diversity even today of course

Burnley had a mine but it was predominantly a cotton town. And yes, the Lancashire cotton towns are ethnically diverse "even today".

[Saga Lout]

Perhaps you didn't get out much
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/what-e ... gland.html

Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten about the elaborately dressed black servants to signify our wealth that we kept in the cellar of our two up two down terraced house. How silly of me. Mind you, we only brought them out when we were having our portraits painted so I'd forgotten about them.

[slowsider]

Perhaps you didn't get out much
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/what-e ... gland.html

Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten about the elaborately dressed black servants to signify our wealth that we kept in the cellar of our two up two down terraced house. How silly of me. Mind you, we only brought them out when we were having our portraits painted so I'd forgotten about them.

Must've been crowded with the entire mono-cultural UK in with you. Or maybe the experience outside your gold-fish bowl differed.

[Horse]

Perhaps you didn't get out much
http://revealinghistories.org.uk/what-e ... gland.html

Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten about the elaborately dressed black servants to signify our wealth that we kept in the cellar of our two up two down terraced house. How silly of me. Mind you, we only brought them out when we were having our portraits painted so I'd forgotten about them.

Must've been crowded with the entire mono-cultural UK in with you. Or maybe the experience outside your gold-fish bowl differed.

It might be a complicated issue, but SL just sees it in black and white.

[Saga Lout]

Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten about the elaborately dressed black servants to signify our wealth that we kept in the cellar of our two up two down terraced house. How silly of me. Mind you, we only brought them out when we were having our portraits painted so I'd forgotten about them.

Must've been crowded with the entire mono-cultural UK in with you. Or maybe the experience outside your gold-fish bowl differed.

It might be a complicated issue, but SL just sees it in black and white.

I'm old and my memory's going. Is that what you're saying?

From the age of 5 to 7, i.e. about 1956, I went to school in Burnley and Leeds. In The Burnley school there were, if I remember correctly, two black children from the same family. I went to a couple of schools in Leeds and I don't recall any children other than white. I completed my schooling in Cumberland, as it was then, and those schools were exclusively white.

I have no doubt that in other parts of the country, especially cities with large ports such as Liverpool and London there was already an established BAME (to use modern terminology) population, but most of the country was white. It was very, very unusual to see a non white face where I grew up. The closest we got to multi culturalism was the Italian family that ran the local ice cream shop.

[Horse]

Must've been crowded with the entire mono-cultural UK in with you. Or maybe the experience outside your gold-fish bowl differed.

It might be a complicated issue, but SL just sees it in black and white.

I'm old and my memory's going. Is that what you're saying?

No.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse ... pretty much the only black faces I saw

Are black people the full extent of your definition of 'ethnic' for diversity?

[Cousin Jack]

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse society, even though some of us are old enough to know that's not true. Growing up in the North West in the 1950s, pretty much the only black faces I saw were coal miners and mummers.

That matches my experience in the South West. I went to 3 schools in total.

The first had 100% white children, in a school of about 120 pupils.
The 2nd had exactly 2 West Indian girls in a school of about 600.
The 3rd had one mixed race boy. (his biological father was a negro US serviceman) in a school of about 350.
There were no Asians, and about half a dozen non-UK Europeans, mostly Polish.

Personally IDGAS what colour people are, but I dislike people re-writing history to suit their agenda.

[Saga Lout]

No.

There seems to be a concerted effort to convince us that the UK has always been an ethnically diverse ... pretty much the only black faces I saw

Are black people the full extent of your definition of 'ethnic' for diversity?

I don't understand the question. I really won't mind if you explain things to me.