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Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:07 pm
by JackyJoll
ZRX61 wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:44 pm
Surprised no one mentioned paint stripper. Dissolves the carbon & you can wipe if off with a rag.
Paint stripper isn’t what it used to be.
It used to strip paint!
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:08 pm
by JackyJoll
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:00 pm
Well the aforementioned videos certainly have the air of expertise IMO, he gives off the vibe of someone who knows what he's on about...but YMMV.
I will take the cylinders and pistons to work and measure 'em properly to see what size they actually are. The recommended clearances I've seen from various sources are 4-5 thou, but as high as 6 on racing engines. I shall see what I've actually got.
5 thou is a minimum. 6 thou is ideal. 7 thou will do.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:46 pm
by ZRX61
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:07 pm
ZRX61 wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:44 pm
Surprised no one mentioned paint stripper. Dissolves the carbon & you can wipe if off with a rag.
Paint stripper isn’t what it used to be.
It used to strip paint!
Ardrox will work, there's also Carbon Off which is sold for use in restaurant trade for cleaning the carbon off pots & pans etc. Oddly enough, it smells EXACTLY like the *good* paint stripper.
The fact they banned it in Califailure indicates that it does indeed work.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 pm
by JackyJoll
ZRX61 wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:46 pm
Ardrox will work, there's also Carbon Off which is sold for use in restaurant trade for cleaning the carbon off pots & pans etc. Oddly enough, it smells EXACTLY like the *good* paint stripper.
The fact they banned it in Califailure indicates that it does indeed work.
Where can Mr Dazzle buy that?
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:02 pm
by ZRX61
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 pm
Where can Mr Dazzle buy that?
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:06 pm
by cheb
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:53 am
by Nidge
The Triumph factory manual recommends leaving a ring of carbon around the outside of the combustion chamber and piston crown.
Typically normal carbon is relatively soft and scrapes off easily, the hard shiny stuff is the result of burning oil
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:26 pm
by JackyJoll
Take the barrel off and you may find you can skip cleaning the crowns of the old pistons.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:58 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
I had an exploratory poke with a wooden rod and it's not coming off super easy.
See what happens when I take the barrels off....
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:03 pm
by Le_Fromage_Grande
You can get a spray to do it, it works but it also takes paint off like you wouldn't believe
I think I ended up doing my Kawasaki ones by soaking them in WD40 and then using wet and dry paper
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:48 pm
by Yorick
On my racing bikes, I just used an old flat blade screwdriver, very gently.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:38 pm
by Nidge
I prefer to use a ground down hacksaw blade (I think it's more forgiving if you slip)
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:55 pm
by Le_Fromage_Grande
You can buy hard plastic scrapers designed for the job, I think mine were about £10 from Amazon
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:16 am
by ZRX61
Julian_Boolean wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:03 pm
You can get a spray to do it,
it works but it also takes paint off like you wouldn't believe
I think I ended up doing my Kawasaki ones by soaking them in WD40 and then using wet and dry paper
That's because it's basically paint stripper...
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:00 am
by JackyJoll
Julian_Boolean wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:55 pm
You can buy hard plastic scrapers designed for the job, I think mine were about £10 from Amazon
You can snip a flat side into a copper washer and hold it in a Mole grip.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:24 am
by Bike Breaker
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:53 pm
They're 360 degrees apart, so one fires while the other is on the intake. That's "the norm" for parallel twins AFAIK - so you're basic CB250, CB500 etc. will be the same I think. Twins that are 180/540 degrees apart rock side to side loads. Modern stuff with 270 degree cranks etc. tend to have balance shafts.
I
think the original "big bang" engines were Brit twins re-cammed to fire two at the same time, but don't quote me. This bike sparks both cylinders every time and has completely separate carbs and exhaust for each cylinder, so it'd be a pretty easy mod. Literally just change the cam I think.
Isn't it a 'wasted spark' ignition system wcith a single contact breaker firing one plug on compression while the other sparks at the same time on the
exhaust stroke and, therefore, no bang from that pot?.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:40 am
by JackyJoll
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:53 pm
I
think the original "big bang" engines were Brit twins re-cammed to fire two at the same time, but don't quote me. This bike sparks both cylinders every time and has completely separate carbs and exhaust for each cylinder, so it'd be a pretty easy mod. Literally just change the cam I think.
Nutters who altered Triumph twins to fire both cylinders at once, sometimes for a traction advantage in trials, just removed one inlet pushrod and one exhaust pushrod and welded the rockers together. Ignition needed two coils in series, or a Honda-type dual output coil.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:40 am
by David
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:19 pm
Compression was a bit low before I started taking it apart....about 100psi on one side and nowt on the other. That "nowt" is why I started taking it apart!
And you are seriously considering putting it together like that?
Trust me...pull the barrels off. The skirts will be stained with blow by and i would bet that the rings are stuck.
If you dont do it now, you will very soon....
Even if the "nowt" was down to a valve there will be problems further down.
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:57 am
by Nidge
Don't forget to put some fuel pipe/rubber bands/cable ties or something similar over the cam follower stems when (not if...) you take the barrels off, they are likely drop out as you lift the barrels otherwise
Re: Cleaning carbon from combustion chambers
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:58 am
by Mr. Dazzle
Cable ties is the top tip I read....
Fuel hose on the barrel studs too to stop the rods getting dinked. That particular tip is in the official workshop manual.