New lid

[A_morti]

I REALLY don't want an internal sun visor in a lid. It's not an easy find these days.

I know we live in different climes, but for me an internal sun visor is like a top box or a GPS/phone mount: once you've had one, it becomes a no-brainer.

As for Arai's opinion that it compromises safety, well, so does riding out of a tunnel into direct sunlight and being unable to see where you're going, or finishing your ride after sunset with a dark visor.

[A_morti]

the HJC F70.

That looks pretty close to what I want, as it goes. I've got used to having an XL viewing port on my ADV style Suomy MX Tourer (which is now uncomfortably near to ten years old) but since the FAZ isn't an ADV bike, I was wondering where you'd get that without having a peak fitted.

Let us know how you get on with it? Interested to know if that sun visor is big enough to be useful, when the nose curtain is removed.

[MyLittleStudPony]

NJC, Nolan, Xlite? [retches uncontrollably]

[Rockburner]

I REALLY don't want an internal sun visor in a lid. It's not an easy find these days.

I know we live in different climes, but for me an internal sun visor is like a top box or a GPS/phone mount: once you've had one, it becomes a no-brainer.

As for Arai's opinion that it compromises safety, well, so does riding out of a tunnel into direct sunlight and being unable to see where you're going, or finishing your ride after sunset with a dark visor.

That's just poor prep.


I've tried to like internal visors, but they're never dark enough, they always seem to be in the wrong place (either too high so the edge is right on my eyeline, or right inline with the clocks, or too low so they're banging on my nose), and they seem to make the helmet "echoey".

[Mr. Dazzle]

My last lid had one, current lid doesn't. TBH I mostly used it so that I could ride with main visor up, but I doubt the sunny bit actually passes impact protection....as Ricey says the sunny bit isn't actually that dark.

I much prefer my Arai with proper pinlock double glazing, it's spookily good at not fogging.

Dunno what Maltas like for tunnels, but I can well believe it has more of both tunnels and sunshine than MK

[Supermofo]

I don't think I'd want to be without an internal drop down visor now

Same - especially handy on warm days when you can drop it down and leave the visor open when you're going more slowly.

Yeah I do that a lot, most of the advantages of having the visor open whilst not needing to worry about bugs in the eyes. Having had a bee fly into my eye at about 35 mph I like the extra eye protection as well as the shade

[A_morti]

Dunno what Maltas like for tunnels, but I can well believe it has more of both tunnels and sunshine than MK

There's only a few tunnels, but the light at the end of them is often very bright

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

My current X-Lite has an internal sun visor that I never use, it's too dark
Comparing my X-Lite 903 with my Arai Chaser V, the X-Lite fits me better, is lighter and quieter, but the paint finish is nowhere near as good as the Arai, the Arai paint is very crisp, the X-Lite is a bit blurry by comparison.

[derek badger]

So..an hour on the A3/M25/M4 into Chiswick today. Sunvisor is fine, not as dark a tint as the one I have on the Shoei but it was fine even in the bright sun. Its removable so I will see if you can get a darker one.

Wind is more noticable, not noise but airflow can be felt on my face even with all vents shut. I do have a foggy in the Shoei and haven't swapped it over yet.

Fit is excellent, very comfy.

[Skub]

I bought a RPHA-11 HJC a while back,my profound findings are in the linky.
viewtopic.php?p=186894&hilit=RPHA+11+HJC#p186894

[Hot_Air]

My last lid had one, current lid doesn't. I much prefer my Arai with proper pinlock double glazing, it's spookily good at not fogging.

+1. My last lid had an internal visor, but I gave up bothering with it.

[Bigyin]

I don't think I'd want to be without an internal drop down visor now

Same - especially handy on warm days when you can drop it down and leave the visor open when you're going more slowly.

I also prefer the normal black visors and run them all the time on both my Arai helmets but the Shoei i use for work needs a clear one for obvious reasons.

Without wanting to be all "health and safety" the drop down internal sun shades are useless as actual visors as they are very thin with no safety testing for impact resistance like a normal visor has. I have already had to have replaced the one on my Shoei Neotec 2 after a stone hit it and cracked it when i was riding with the normal visor raised on a warm sunny day at about 40-50 mph at the time.

I know we all do it but if you are travelling quickly your normal visor will probably survive a metal object pinged up off the road by a car or bike tyre ....the sunshade will be smashed

The black visor on my Arai Astro has survived numerous hits over more than a decades use and has the small impact marks to evidence it

[Horse]

I've tried to like internal visors, but they're never dark enough, they always seem to be in the wrong place (either too high so the edge is right on my eyeline, or right inline with the clocks, or too low so they're banging on my nose), and they seem to make the helmet "echoey".

And no substitute for a strip of masking tape on the visor.

[The Spin Doctor]

I also prefer the normal black visors and run them all the time on both my Arai helmets

Watch out in Cheshire... the Old Bill have just taken delivery of a new portable light transmissibility tester specifically for checking dark visors and tinted windows. They warned that they will be pulling riders over - Roads Policing Constable PC James Shrimpton told MCN

“If the officer (mostly our Dedicated Motorcycle Patrol Officers) notice that the visor seems not to comply with the regulations, at this point the visor would be inspected and if necessary tested to check for compliance.”

I know we all do it but if you are travelling quickly your normal visor will probably survive a metal object pinged up off the road by a car or bike tyre ....the sunshade will be smashed

The black visor on my Arai Astro has survived numerous hits over more than a decades use and has the small impact marks to evidence it

+1

I suffer quite badly from dust and pollen in the eyes so I wear wrap around impact resistant yellow sunglasses. Surprisingly good at cutting out blue light and hence glare, even on a sunny day. I rarely need anything darker except when the sun's on the horizon.

[Bigyin]

And no substitute for a strip of masking tape on the visor.

My Neotec clear visor has that strip across the top, black insulating tape in my case

Watch out in Cheshire... the Old Bill have just taken delivery of a new portable light transmissibility tester specifically for checking dark visors and tinted windows. They warned that they will be pulling riders over - Roads Policing Constable PC James Shrimpton told MCN

“If the officer (mostly our Dedicated Motorcycle Patrol Officers) notice that the visor seems not to comply with the regulations, at this point the visor would be inspected and if necessary tested to check for compliance.

+1

I suffer quite badly from dust and pollen in the eyes so I wear wrap around impact resistant yellow sunglasses. Surprisingly good at cutting out blue light and hence glare, even on a sunny day. I rarely need anything darker except when the sun's on the horizon.

My preference for black visors is more necessity than fashion as the residual after effects of 2 bouts of Bells Palsy over the years has left me with limited movement on the right side of my face. As a result in any bright light my right eye doesnt "squint" like everyone elses does and can actually cause headaches if prolonged in bright light. I doubt they would let me off on a medical exemption but worth a go if i ever end up in Cheshire or anywhere else that decides to waste resources on that endeavour as i carry a spare clear or clear goggles if i expect to be out after dark or in shitty weather

[The Spin Doctor]

My preference for black visors is more necessity than fashion as the residual after effects of 2 bouts of Bells Palsy over the years has left me with limited movement on the right side of my face. As a result in any bright light my right eye doesnt "squint" like everyone elses does and can actually cause headaches if prolonged in bright light. I doubt they would let me off on a medical exemption but worth a go if i ever end up in Cheshire or anywhere else that decides to waste resources on that endeavour as i carry a spare clear or clear goggles if i expect to be out after dark or in shitty weather

That's a bit of a bugger. Sorry to hear that

[Bigyin]

My preference for black visors is more necessity than fashion as the residual after effects of 2 bouts of Bells Palsy over the years has left me with limited movement on the right side of my face. As a result in any bright light my right eye doesnt "squint" like everyone elses does and can actually cause headaches if prolonged in bright light. I doubt they would let me off on a medical exemption but worth a go if i ever end up in Cheshire or anywhere else that decides to waste resources on that endeavour as i carry a spare clear or clear goggles if i expect to be out after dark or in shitty weather

That's a bit of a bugger. Sorry to hear that

I have adapted to it over the years, first bout was aged 18, took almost 2 years to get back full movement, 2nd bout was mid 30's but a lot worse and got back about 65-70% movement on the right side. Most people dont notice it at all and just think "ugly fucker" but i am hugely aware of it, self conscious of it and even when i laugh the right side of my mouth doesnt move and i need to be careful drinking anything in case it spills

When i was a marshal i met Chris Stalker Walker (WSB and BSB rider) who also had it mid 30's and we traded tales on coping with it while riding as sweat on a hot day runs into an eye and the slightest wind draught can cause the eye to suddenly stream

On the Welsh trip a couple of weeks ago the likes of Abel, MAC and KHH even made comment when the weather was poor on the way over as i put on a clear ..."you never wear a clear visor" ....i swapped it back to a black as soon as the mist cleared

I do have a pair of Uvex safety glasses that would take an impact but they aren’t dark enough for me and I only use them when I have the strimmer on in the garden

[Supermofo]

I don't think I'd want to be without an internal drop down visor now

Same - especially handy on warm days when you can drop it down and leave the visor open when you're going more slowly.

I also prefer the normal black visors and run them all the time on both my Arai helmets but the Shoei i use for work needs a clear one for obvious reasons.

Without wanting to be all "health and safety" the drop down internal sun shades are useless as actual visors as they are very thin with no safety testing for impact resistance like a normal visor has. I have already had to have replaced the one on my Shoei Neotec 2 after a stone hit it and cracked it when i was riding with the normal visor raised on a warm sunny day at about 40-50 mph at the time.

I know we all do it but if you are travelling quickly your normal visor will probably survive a metal object pinged up off the road by a car or bike tyre ....the sunshade will be smashed

The black visor on my Arai Astro has survived numerous hits over more than a decades use and has the small impact marks to evidence it

Valid point although to be fair I only do it at 25-30 as I find it too noisy/windy at about that point and drop the main visor down. Plus the main visor being up blocks the head vents and they are more effective than the visor at about the same speed so yeah it's more slow speeds for me. I guess a stone etc will still be an issue but hopefully less so/likely in villages/towns. Had some big old stone strikes at speed before esp following other bikes and now tend to leave more gap than I used to.

[Scootabout]

Money no object I might get another Arai but I'm the reverse of KFB, I don't think I'd want to be without an internal drop down visor now. Just way more convenient. So I'd probably never buy another Arai again unless it was track only

I went on a hunt for a new lid recently and started with the same premise: internal drop-down visor, so not Arai.
After trying on 12-15 lids, I bought....an Arai Quantic. It was by far the best fit for me. Unfortunately the legal tint visor I bought as a not-very-satisfactory substitute for the drop-down has lost an eyebrow vent already and so has gone back to Sportsbikeshop. Hey ho. I still think I made the right choice, though, as fit matters to me more than most criteria.

[Mr Moofo]

A slight thread revisit - I will ride the bike more this year than last year, as I don't plan to break my scaphoid again. Weighing both my Arais - a they come in at 1700g - hence I am beginning to look at HJC carbon one again. I will have a trip out to Helmet City Chichester just to have look in the flesh but how are HJC helmet wearers finding them ?
Or should I stick with the old fashioned, clunky visored, but reassuringly well made Arai?