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Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:20 pm
by Dodgy69

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:53 pm
by Dodgy69
We need an emotorbike owner on this forum, get us in the modern times. 👍

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:49 pm
by Skub
Potter wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:18 am Oh...as I was setting off I looked down and almost fell off, I thought the front of the bike was missing, it was like I had to look vertically down by my ball sack to even see the front of the bike, they've gone too far with that, I'd need a small screen or something sticking up just to make me feel like I'm not about to fall over the front.
Yeahbutt,you're not meant to sit on the tank,it's the part behind that you need. :P

One of them looks lovely,that other adv thang just reinforces my dislike of the genre. Gopping. :sick:

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:51 pm
by Monstyr
I’ve not ridden either of these bikes and unlikely to now. A few have commented on low speed engine troubles, much of this comes from the gearing which (as far as I remember) was set to allow the engines to pass noise regs at certain speeds- may be different now.
Ducati have used 15 tooth front sprockets on a lot of its bikes , hypermotard included, this does make them awkward at low speed, a simple change to a 14 tooth front sprocket transforms them completely and I’d wager this could be true for these two bikes too.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:57 pm
by Supermofo
Mr Moofo wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:37 pm
Supermofo wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:23 pm
Mr Moofo wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:46 am The HSP does look rather good
my Diavel hates being below 3k. To ride it you have to pretend it is an IL4 (it has taken me 10 years to realise this), knock it down one gear from where you think it should be, and rev the bollocks off it.
Not on mine, at 2k through towns it's happy as Larry and pulls well even from there. After the 690 it's been nice to roll around in 3rd or 4th at 2k with not a worry and not even need to knock it down coming out the village on the other side :thumbup: I'm not an IL4 fan boy but I'm definitely not a hater either. If anything I've noticed a lot of other engine configurations are becoming more IL4 like in delivery. The difference between the traditional single experience with the Duke II 640 engine and the all top endy Duke IV 690 was chalk and cheese. Several parallel twins are like this now too, all free reving with more power up top.
But that's a KTM, right?
My 950 SM never had low down grunt issues, neither did my Buell M2 or GSA 1150
My Triumph 1200 Scrambler is all low down grunt
Yeah my 690 Duke was a KTM but that you couldn't ride below 3.5k as it'd become a jack hammer, it had decent midrange but for a single really rev'd and would take off in the top end. The GSXS is silky smooth everywhere but that's IL4s for you.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:16 pm
by Asian Boss
Fwiw I really like the look of the Desert X.

I've made a lot of rational vehicle purchases but the best ones have been where I just followed my heart and got what I really wanted.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:30 pm
by Taipan
@Potter, are you set on a off road/motard style bike? If you struggle with the seat hight a bit, would anotgher road bike not suit you better? Another MV would be good, even if just for us as a bit of eye candy! What about a Striple or a MT09 SP?

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:32 pm
by KungFooBob
What about a Bowler Fast Road Defender?

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:06 pm
by Skub
Sir maybe needs to try an Aprilia Tuono RSV4 Factory. That's an engine. :thumbup:

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:12 pm
by weeksy
It does somewhat baffle me that there's no market for a stonking 120bhp fairly light fairly torquey Supermoto style bike... I can't see how it wouldn't sell well. Something like an 890R based Supermoto... Fuck that'd have to be an absolute blast wouldn't it ?

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:17 pm
by Le_Fromage_Grande
weeksy wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:12 pm It does somewhat baffle me that there's no market for a stonking 120bhp fairly light fairly torquey Supermoto style bike... I can't see how it wouldn't sell well. Something like an 890R based Supermoto... Fuck that'd have to be an absolute blast wouldn't it ?
How many Aprilia Dosduoros did Aprilia sell?
The trouble is a 120bhp bike ends up being a bit weighty, and who wants a tall, heavy bike apart from the weirdos that ride "adventure" bikes?

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:23 pm
by Asian Boss
Get one of them Frazers.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:30 pm
by Taipan
weeksy wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:12 pm It does somewhat baffle me that there's no market for a stonking 120bhp fairly light fairly torquey Supermoto style bike... I can't see how it wouldn't sell well. Something like an 890R based Supermoto... Fuck that'd have to be an absolute blast wouldn't it ?
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Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:34 pm
by weeksy
Taipan wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:30 pm
weeksy wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:12 pm It does somewhat baffle me that there's no market for a stonking 120bhp fairly light fairly torquey Supermoto style bike... I can't see how it wouldn't sell well. Something like an 890R based Supermoto... Fuck that'd have to be an absolute blast wouldn't it ?
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It's a start point... but a bit bulky, a bit lacking in styling... but sure, it's sorta there.

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That for me is right in the ball park.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm
by Le_Fromage_Grande
What does the 990 SM do better than the Super Duke?

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 pm
by Taipan
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm What does the 990 SM do better than the Super Duke?
Carbs rather than Fi!

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:44 pm
by weeksy
Taipan wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm What does the 990 SM do better than the Super Duke?
Carbs rather than Fi!
990 is FI too, 950 is Carbs.

As to what it does better, just more leg room and different riding position really. It's a fairly similar thing in many ways in terms of engine. But longer travel on forks, higher riding position, more SM than street.

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:25 pm
by Tricky
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:26 pm What does the 990 SM do better than the Super Duke?
1.Weave at high(ish) speeds.
2. Look better ( debatable)

That's the full list I think.....

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:39 pm
by Tricky
Skub wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:06 pm Sir maybe needs to try an Aprilia Tuono RSV4 Factory. That's an engine. :thumbup:
If I were in the market for a new bike at the moment , that is exactly the place my money would be going 8-)

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It's defo not a Potter ( ;) ) sort of bike though IMO

There is a cracking deal on them here ATM too-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115575702367 ... R6qP2eKmYQ

- probably wouldn't lose any significant money on it selling 12 months later

Re: Desert X & Hypermotard SP test ride

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:44 pm
by Skub
Tricky wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:39 pm There is a cracking deal on them here ATM too-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115575702367 ... R6qP2eKmYQ

- probably wouldn't lose any significant money on it selling 12 months later
I'm glad that deal is nowhere close to me,it would be terribly rude to miss that one.