What bike have you ridden and really shouldn't have.? 🤫

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The bike I've ridden most recently and really shouldn't... Indian FTR 1200 S...

I expected it to be a bit of a Yank Tank, far more style than substance, and the weight and agricultural drivetrain to dominate the experience... Nothing could be further from the truth! It's really actually rather very good, and despite no space in my garage, a tiny little 13L tank and absolutely no need for one whatsoever... I want one... Really badly actually! It's an addictive riding experience, and actually quite a bit sportier and more fun than you'd credit given its weight and relative lack of power. I think if it had an 18L tank I'd already have found an excuse to buy one! Seriously... I had only popped in to the dealership off hand for a look round, got asked if I'd like a test ride and wasn't going to refuse. The engine is something to behold. It might only be just over 120bhp from a 1200 twin that revs to about 9krpm (so in that respect, very similar numbers to my R1200GS I turned up on), but it is addictively characterful! Super smooth down to 2k which for a V-Twin is just about unheard of, yet torque from nothing, and no need to rev it out whatsoever, and it sounds awesome too! Jumping back on the GS to go home was a real letdown, not because the bike isn't brilliant (it is), but because the flat-twin ditch pump of an engine has always been the elephant in the room with a GS that defines its capabilities and handling (by putting all the weight down low), but also dulls the experience somewhat as it's as flat as a pancake! Anyway... If you haven't ridden an Indian FTR, then either do because it's REALLY impressive, or don't because it's REALLY impressive and you'll end up buying one!

I rode the latest 17" wheeled version with Metzeler Sportec tyres FWIW. Not ridden the more flat track style one, but hear that's equally if not more fun albeit you need to junk the stock tyres and fit something half decent (they're pretty stock "Adventure" bike sizes) for road use.

Those deriding the 748/916 either aren't riding them properly (they NEED open roads, nice sweeping twisties to come into their own, and preferably in short bursts before the wrist ache sets in!) or are judging them by modern standards of having their cake and eating it too... Watch Chris Northover's review of a 998R recently... Perfection! 👌🏻
inewham wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:10 pm A CBR1000F Ive harboured an irrational dislike of Hondas ever since. How can any bike be so bland.
I can fully sympathise... Honda have made some brilliant bikes over the years, I've owned a few from my RVF400, through VFR800's, a Blackbird, then there's other highlights like the RC30, RC45, SP1, SP2, various Fireblades (particularly the 954 though) and CBR600's etc... And then they make the blandest, most boring bike in the world ever... The CB1000F!

The thing with the CB1000F though, is for precisely the reason we hate its bland boringness, there are people out there (mostly in their 70's, for whom it is the 2 wheeled equivalent of a Honda Civic!) that love them! For me bikes need to have character... My GS might have a dull engine, but handling that can embarrass sports bikes and total confidence to chuck it into any bend on any broken back road at speeds you really shouldn't mostly makes up for the boring engine. The CB1000F has none of that though! It's the very worst kind of detuned parts bin special there is, and a travesty that a Fireblade donated its engine in the first place!
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I'm really surprised there are not more sportsbikes where I live. Great roads, well surfaced, and pretty empty with it.

Still looking for one myself, but nothing I fancy, and a couple i have liked that have been thrashed for every km of its life.
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My Himalayan. A charming bike let down by shitty build quality that CZ would be ashamed of and completely useless dealer backup. It's not an Indian thing either, my CBF125 is Indian built, has 7 times the milage of the Himalayan and has been utterly reliable.

My baby R1 thing is built by cheese eating surrender monkeys, gets redlined everywhere and just keeps ticking on, so you'd think RE could make a bike that lasts more than 4000 miles.
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mboy wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:50 am Those deriding the 748/916 either aren't riding them properly (they NEED open roads, nice sweeping twisties to come into their own, and preferably in short bursts before the wrist ache sets in!) or are judging them by modern standards of having their cake and eating it too... Watch Chris Northover's review of a 998R recently... Perfection! 👌🏻
The 748 needed open roads like a hole in the head... turgidly moping towards the rev limiter like a boring uncle at a wedding... you think there's going to be point but nope, just another gear ;)

I had a 929 at the time and every time I rode the 748 I'd wish I'd brought the honda instead. Sold it soon after.
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dern wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:18 pm
mboy wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:50 am Those deriding the 748/916 either aren't riding them properly (they NEED open roads, nice sweeping twisties to come into their own, and preferably in short bursts before the wrist ache sets in!) or are judging them by modern standards of having their cake and eating it too... Watch Chris Northover's review of a 998R recently... Perfection! 👌🏻
The 748 needed open roads like a hole in the head... turgidly moping towards the rev limiter like a boring uncle at a wedding ;)

I had a 929 at the time and every time I rode the 748 I'd wish I'd brought the ducati instead. Sold it soon after.
Yeah. Was uncomfortable. Under powered. And shite.
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ISTR the 916 I rode had steering as heavy as a flat tyre and really tall 1st gear with clutch lever harder to pull then a lock gate!?
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I commuted 120 miles a day for a week on a mates 916 a few years ago. Fantastic on the back roads (Dunmow-The Rodings-Ongar-Abridge-Loughton) but the last 20 miles on the M11-A604-A13 were crippling.
Could not wait to get my Suzuki GS 500 back from repair.

I'd still like a 916 as there are plenty of great roads (ie empty and twisty) here that would be more than suitable to ride one on. Plus still one of greatest looking bikes ever built.
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My Buell. Well, my second Buell. No wait, both Buells.

I’d get another. S1 though.


I hated the zx9r. Least favourite bike I’ve ever owned/ridden. Finally convinced me I’d never by an IL4 again, so perhaps every cloud 😀
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inewham wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:10 pm A CBR1000F Ive harboured an irrational dislike of Hondas ever since. How can any bike be so bland.

A Vespa, it handled like a shopping trolley, I swear someone took the balls out of the headraces.
LOL:) You are absolutely right:)
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Beancounter wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:23 pm @maccecht's Burgman.

Docca's Buell.

My second TDM850.
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maccecht wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:23 am
Beancounter wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:23 pm @maccecht's Burgman.

Docca's Buell.

My second TDM850.
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There's a reason I mentioned that one first too. :P

Arguably I should add my MT-09 to that list.
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Post by Le_Fromage_Grande »

1998 R1 - it was absolutely mental and massive fun, but I couldn't ride it slow anywhere and after 4000 miles and 6 months of ownership I stuffed the poor thing into the back of an Astra in Colchester, bent the frame and fractured a vertebrae - resulting in 8 months of painful recovery.
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I had a test ride on an R1 in 2001/2(?) . It had no grunt. I got off to check the side panels in case they'd given me an R6 instead.
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Yorick wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:42 am I had a test ride on an R1 in 2001/2(?) . It had no grunt. I got off to check the side panels in case they'd given me an R6 instead.
I had a YZF750 before the R1 and it felt a lot more powerful everywhere in the rev range, but a three years later I had a 2002 GSXR750 and it felt nearly as powerful as the R1 and top speed was about the same (mid to high 170s indicated), the GSXR also handled better and was easier to ride.