Same.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:11 am I just ride them how they come.
Unless they're shagged, then they get fixed, usually as cheaply as possible.
Aside from Harley which I've set the preload to what the book says it should be.
Same.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:11 am I just ride them how they come.
Unless they're shagged, then they get fixed, usually as cheaply as possible.
I always thought that fast road meant that you ride on the road so you want it compliant, but you rode perhaps on the more aggressive side of average so you want it set up a little bit harder than someone who would pootle around.
Ah, i thought you meant 'fast roads' rather than fast riding on the roads. e.g 100mph + roads... which as above, i very rarely ride.Potter wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:45 amI always thought that fast road meant that you ride on the road so you want it compliant, but you rode perhaps on the more aggressive side of average so you want it set up a little bit harder than someone who would pootle around.
The faster you go (on any surface) the harder it's set up.
Me too. If I bike is too bouncy (usually the case) I just compensate. I've not had any bikes that were too bad. Ones that stick out were Fazer 6 and Z750, they had pogo sticks for shocks and I did consider upgrading the Z750 but it got deaded. The other was the forks in the Firestorm. Except those I've been happy enough to ride as is.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:11 am I just ride them how they come.
Unless they're shagged, then they get fixed, usually as cheaply as possible.
The last GSXR I had (750 K2) had superb suspension, I wonder if the rear shock from one would fit on my GSX.Yorick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:35 am The suspension on my current GSXR is fantastic. Soaks up any road imperfections and handles fantastic. But not tried it on track yet.
But had all 6 of my previous GSXRs set up for track and were amazing on the road.
Top quality sussers can do both. Budget sussers only one thing.
Likely be knackered by now.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:00 pmThe last GSXR I had (750 K2) had superb suspension, I wonder if the rear shock from one would fit on my GSX.Yorick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:35 am The suspension on my current GSXR is fantastic. Soaks up any road imperfections and handles fantastic. But not tried it on track yet.
But had all 6 of my previous GSXRs set up for track and were amazing on the road.
Top quality sussers can do both. Budget sussers only one thing.
20 years ago I never needed GSXR shocks very far from stock settings, that may have changed now I weigh 40% more.
And there we have one of the commonest misconceptions about suspension.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:40 am Interesting discussion, I am 95kg in riding kit and I think the spring on the rear shock of my GSX-S 750 is a bit too hard for me, I've dropped the pre load from notch 3 to notch 2
Only if it's a linear spring.Demannu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:49 pmAnd there we have one of the commonest misconceptions about suspension.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:40 am Interesting discussion, I am 95kg in riding kit and I think the spring on the rear shock of my GSX-S 750 is a bit too hard for me, I've dropped the pre load from notch 3 to notch 2
Changing the preload alters ride height, that is all!
It doesn't 'soften' the spring or 'firm' it up. It just raises/lowers the seat in relation to the wheel spindle.
Here endeth the lesson!
You can sort my Husky outCouchy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:47 pm Track setup is always harsher on the road. If you want plush on the road you need a softer spring and good damping. TT bikes are run softer than short circuit bikes for this reason. When I do the cartridges on my MT07 forks I'll go down a size on the recommended 9.5 springs so I can keep the compliant feeling while getting better damping control.
I've always done my suspension even if it's been oil levels/weight and springs only as it makes a good difference to how a bike feels even if it doesn't make me faster.
I do all my own tbh as I enjoy setting them up and working on them, it's satisfying
Which it isn't.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:52 pmOnly if it's a linear spring.Demannu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:49 pmAnd there we have one of the commonest misconceptions about suspension.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:40 am Interesting discussion, I am 95kg in riding kit and I think the spring on the rear shock of my GSX-S 750 is a bit too hard for me, I've dropped the pre load from notch 3 to notch 2
Changing the preload alters ride height, that is all!
It doesn't 'soften' the spring or 'firm' it up. It just raises/lowers the seat in relation to the wheel spindle.
Here endeth the lesson!
Doesn't it feel stiffer as your rising rate rear suspension is now operating in a different area of it's stroke, i.e. a more rising rate area ?Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:11 pmWhich it isn't.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:52 pmOnly if it's a linear spring.Demannu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:49 pm
And there we have one of the commonest misconceptions about suspension.
Changing the preload alters ride height, that is all!
It doesn't 'soften' the spring or 'firm' it up. It just raises/lowers the seat in relation to the wheel spindle.
Here endeth the lesson!
The bit about preload only changing ride height is bollocks put about by people who've read it but not tried it, FZR400RRs have ride height adjusters and spring preload adjustment - so according to this theory, adding 20mm of preload would make the bike ride the same as adding 20mm of ride height, it doesn't, with the ride height adjuster the bike steers quicker but otherwise feels pretty much the same, with the added preload, the bike steers quicker, but the rear end feels stiffer sprung, obviously the spring rate hasn't changed, but the spring is compressed more, and you've lost 20mm of travel.
Quite possibly, that was the only thing I could think of, that you're changing the geometry in some way and thereby changing the leverage ratios.