revtothelimit - motorbike forum

I had a Siamese. It bit. I bled.

Perhaps plod should get rid of their Alsations?

weeksy wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:41 am

the_priest wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:52 am Stupid driver. The bike is a snotter, even if it was a Ducati V4 race bike, it is still just a physical possession and not worth killing someone for. Bikes can be replaced, lives not. How terribly sad the value of life set at the price of possessions.

The ten commandments are not listed in severity order, so both are equally bad?

Using that logic, you can go with an eye for an eye and either kill them, or shag their wife

Sweet.

At least you know where you are with the Old Testament; this new-fangled turn-the-other-cheek business can confuse the best.

Colleague of mine had had his car/targeted 4 times. The last time he’d had enough. The scrotes were in his car so his wife grabbed the nearest weapon to hand, a sword.
She pointed blade at scrote and told him he wasn’t going anywhere. Scrote grabbed the blade and tried to pull the sword away, blood everywhere. He got away from the house about 15 seconds before the police arrived.
They caught up with him 3 days later in hospital. He’ll not have full use of his hands for a while.
I understand the mentality but for me, ‘keys are there mate. Help yourself’
Possessions can be replaced.

slowsider wrote: this new-fangled turn-the-other-cheek business can confuse the best.

If a Christian’s bike is stolen, he traces the thief and gives him more stuff.

Makes perfect sense, to a madman.

JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:43 pm

slowsider wrote: this new-fangled turn-the-other-cheek business can confuse the best.

If a Christian’s bike is stolen, he traces the thief and gives him more stuff.

Makes perfect sense, to a madman.

If the Christian has more than he needs and the thief is starving is that so bad?

Claude wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:47 pm
If the Christian has more than he needs and the thief is starving is that so bad?

Is it often the case that motorcycle thieves are starving?

Or are you clutching at red herrings?

You'd have to be a proper muppet to think that deliberately ramming someone off a motorbike would end well for you, whatever the situation. You're not even gonna get your bike back.

It's not difficult to understand why people may want to take the law into their own hands. [s]They are of course all right wing disciples of Margaret Thatcher[/s]

When there aren't enough coppers around to apprehend the scrotes, it takes months to get the fuckers into court and the criminal justice system takes 70 offences into consideration but only gives the scrote a punishment that doesn't even fit one of them, is it any wonder that it may seem more efficient to have a go at them yourselves? Unfortunately, the same courts that will simply admonish those that steal will go to the ends of the earth to punish a generally law abiding citizen who was failed by the system.

There is a rotten side of society populated by people who think it is OK to simply steal other people's possessions.There is no discipline, no punishment, no respect for others or the law. It is a sickness and it seems that a whole swathe of society is quite prepared to accept it.

It could be argued that those who are prepared to accept the situation as it is are also sick. And part of the problem.

If I kill someone I'm gonna be in a world of hassle at the very least. It just isn't worth it for a bike. It would be worth it if I were protecting my family for example.

Its not case of "accepting it", its seeing the balance between risk to me vs. what I stand to gain/lose.

JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:43 pm

slowsider wrote: this new-fangled turn-the-other-cheek business can confuse the best.

If a Christian’s bike is stolen, he traces the thief and gives him more stuff.

Makes perfect sense, to a madman.

Seriously?? No, I get them sent to prison to pay their debt to society, and also ensure they are further educated and released back into society equipped to work for a living, make a contribution to society in a meaninful way and have the ability to pay taxes. You'd think it was wishful thinking right? Go and sin no more. That is what Jesus said to sinners.

Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:47 pm If I kill someone I'm gonna be in a world of hassle at the very least. It just isn't worth it for a bike. It would be worth it if I were protecting my family for example.

Its not case of "accepting it", its seeing the balance between risk to me vs. what I stand to gain/lose.

Slaughter them all dead, then drop their corpses from an aeroplane, onto the side of Mount Everest. Nobody will
think anything of it. It’s ok to lie around dead up there.

All that fake mountaineering kit I'd have to dress em up in sounds expensive.

Well I suppose technically the kit isn't fake.

the_priest wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:49 pm

JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:43 pm

slowsider wrote: this new-fangled turn-the-other-cheek business can confuse the best.

If a Christian’s bike is stolen, he traces the thief and gives him more stuff.

Makes perfect sense, to a madman.

Seriously?? No, I get them sent to prison to pay their debt to society, and also ensure they are further educated and released back into society equipped to work for a living, make a contribution to society in a meaninful way and have the ability to pay taxes. You'd think it was wishful thinking right? Go and sin no more. That is what Jesus said to sinners.

You think prison does that?

slowsider wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:31 pm

the_priest wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:49 pm

JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:43 pm If a Christian’s bike is stolen, he traces the thief and gives him more stuff.

Makes perfect sense, to a madman.

Seriously?? No, I get them sent to prison to pay their debt to society, and also ensure they are further educated and released back into society equipped to work for a living, make a contribution to society in a meaninful way and have the ability to pay taxes. You'd think it was wishful thinking right? Go and sin no more. That is what Jesus said to sinners.

You think prison does that?

Suprisingly it can, if it is well run, properly staffed and given the resources needed for rehabilitation. And yes, it is expensive, it is hard work and it is a difficult job, but it can be successful. It is cheaper to do that than to have reoffending criminals on the streets and it is better for society as a whole. But of course, treating prisoners like humans is just not on is it? Says me who did work with Chaplains in a real prison.

1888 wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:54 am

Bwana wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:12 pm
There's a difference between the bike theft and being in your house while some arse breaks in - you've no idea what kind of harm he may inflict, so self defense is a possible necessity. They'd made off with it and posed no further threat to his well being apart from the joy of getting your bike stolen. I'm not going to feel any angst for the lot of them.

TBF you have a half arsed report on the story. If you seen some fucker running out your shed you would be on hot Pursuit after the fucker whether he had your spade or karscher.

I wouldn't run him down with a car. I would definitely have that video playing in my head, but I wouldn't act upon it.

It's consequences innit.

Although the driver shouldn't have done it and will probably end up doing time for manslaughter.

But if the rider hadn't stolen the bike he'd still be alive.

It's as simple as that. We do something wrong and we suffer the consequences.

The rider could have a. Got away and lived to steal even more bikes. b. Got caught and got a slap on the wrist. c. Got killed with or without outside intervention by crashing without a helmet.

All equally avoidable by simply not going out with the intent of nicking a bike.

What he did wasn't severe enough to wish the guy dead but he took his chances and this time they didn't pay off.

Another promising footballer lost.

Yambo wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:39 pm There is a rotten side of society populated by people who think it is OK to simply steal other people's possessions.There is no discipline, no punishment, no respect for others or the law. It is a sickness and it seems that a whole swathe of society is quite prepared to accept it.

Evidently that society isn't a two sided plane. There is a facet consisting of people who think it is OK to kill someone for stealing your shit. It is a sickness and it seems a whole swathe of society is quite prepared to accept it.

JackyJoll wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:20 pm onto the side of Mount Everest.

Now you're an advocate for littering!

Kill him!

the_priest wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:05 pm Suprisingly it can, if it is well run, properly staffed and given the resources needed for rehabilitation.

Unfortunately that "if" is an Everest sized mountain. The summit of which is rarely seen. I do agree, it is possible. Just not likely to happen. As proof I give you this thread.

Bwana wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:23 pm
Now you're an advocate for littering!

Kill him!

Death to the vigilante!