Rickman Metisse

[Count Steer]

As it says, it's a 'misnomer' ie not 'welding' but commonly used to distinguish between two types of brazing.

[mangocrazy]

It's not fusion welding and it's not brazing, can we leave it at that?

[Count Steer]

It's not fusion welding and it's not brazing, can we leave it at that?

Or, it's often called a brazed weld but it's not a weld. (Strictly speaking it IS a brazed joint though. ).

We're all agreed, it's not soldered though.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong)

Brazing is like soldering, hot liquid metal is used to "glue" two pieces of metal together, the metal being glued will get hot, but doesn't melt
With welding that uses a filler material the pieces of metal get hot enough to melt and fuse with the filler material

[JackyJoll]

As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong)

Brazing is like soldering, hot liquid metal is used to "glue" two pieces of metal together, the metal being glued will get hot, but doesn't melt
With welding that uses a filler material the pieces of metal get hot enough to melt and fuse with the filler material

I’d go so far as to say brazing is hard soldering.

[westers151]

I took these at the 2013 NEC show. I renmember being very impressed with the bronze welding.
Metisse_detail.jpg
And the chassis/forks/tank looked pretty good as well/
Metisse_frame.jpg

Brazing, not welding.

However, yes, very nice brazing.

I've seen major arguments online over the correct terminology for that kind of metal joining. I'm going on what a guy who used to make steel motorcycle frames for a living called it, and that was bronze welding. The guy in question was Derek Chittenden (R.I.P.) who designed and built frames under the Hejira brand, and also raced them in Sound of the Singles.

Just to confuse matters further I believe it is also referred to as Braze Welding...

We're both correct

[Count Steer]

As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong)

Brazing is like soldering, hot liquid metal is used to "glue" two pieces of metal together, the metal being glued will get hot, but doesn't melt
With welding that uses a filler material the pieces of metal get hot enough to melt and fuse with the filler material

Brazing is v much like soldering in that the key to the joint is that the joining material wets the surface of the pieces being joined. Hence the use of flux to clean and protect the surface so you get the surface tension to create the capillary action. I did once forget to apply flux to the pipe surface when doing some soldering/home plumbing. Just blobs of solder and no join

I mentioned vacuum rigs earlier. When building them we used to pull the ring of solder out of the Yorkshire couplings (remember when you could do actually do that? ) then reassemble the copper pipework and braze all the joints. (Gas torch + brazing rod on the bench with a big foamed alumina brick underneath the workpiece). So yup, v similar.

(The same surface wetting between the frame and the braze material is needed on those frame joints).

[Mr. Dazzle]

I’d go so far as to say brazing is hard soldering.

This is the most accurate description I've seen.

Brazing is what you do when Soldering is too easy, Soldering is what you do when Brazing is too expensive.