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Only 'destination chargers' I've seen in a while, 10 chargers, 1 working

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I had my first experience/non-experience of electric car a few weeks back.
We were going to Twickenham and my mate was going to drive us to Cockfosters, he has an electric Seat, the distance was 120 miles each way, the car will do 210 miles at best to a full charge. With only one charger available at Cockfosters we took my Navara, luckily we did as the one charger in the massive car park was already being used.

If they'd of consentrated on home charging only, short journeys etc, it would of made more sense. Trying to get EVs up and down the country ain't necessary. Short journey car's make up a big % of car's on the road, cleaner benifits had.

Something better will be along in the next decade or so for longer journeys I'm sure.

Dodgy69 wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:59 am If they'd of consentrated on home charging only, short journeys etc, it would of made more sense. Trying to get EVs up and down the country ain't necessary. Short journey car's make up a big % of car's on the road, cleaner benifits had.

Something better will be along in the next decade or so for longer journeys I'm sure.

But then everyone would need two cars ….

wheelnut wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:34 am

Dodgy69 wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:59 am If they'd of consentrated on home charging only, short journeys etc, it would of made more sense. Trying to get EVs up and down the country ain't necessary. Short journey car's make up a big % of car's on the road, cleaner benifits had.

Something better will be along in the next decade or so for longer journeys I'm sure.

But then everyone would need two cars ….

Or, a single car for local stuff, and a subsidised membership of a car hire company, or a car-sharing club.

Rockburner wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:24 am

wheelnut wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:34 am

Dodgy69 wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:59 am If they'd of consentrated on home charging only, short journeys etc, it would of made more sense. Trying to get EVs up and down the country ain't necessary. Short journey car's make up a big % of car's on the road, cleaner benifits had.

But then everyone would need two cars ….

Or, a single car for local stuff, and a subsidised membership of a car hire company, or a car-sharing club.

Or a hybrid with enough battery range for the majority of the user's needs?

Reduces the requirement for expensive batteries and eliminates range anxiety and the requirement for massive [working] public charging facilities.

Rockburner wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:24 am Or, a single car for local stuff, and a subsidised membership of a car hire company, or a car-sharing club.

Great in theory - in practice it wouldn't work. If it did, it would be in place now.

Cars are personal things - people like their own. That box is too late to close*.

* I appreciate that in places like that there London it's a more practical proposation, but in the civilised parts of the country where you can actualy drive from A to B quickly and efficiently, prying people from car ownership would be like pulling teeth.

Rockburner wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:24 am

wheelnut wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:34 am

Dodgy69 wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:59 am If they'd of consentrated on home charging only, short journeys etc, it would of made more sense. Trying to get EVs up and down the country ain't necessary. Short journey car's make up a big % of car's on the road, cleaner benifits had.

Something better will be along in the next decade or so for longer journeys I'm sure.

But then everyone would need two cars ….

Or, a single car for local stuff, and a subsidised membership of a car hire company, or a car-sharing club.

Maybe they could make the shared cars use steel wheels running on steel roads, they'd be way more efficient then!

As ya man says though, getting people out of their 'personal vehicle' will be a bit of an ask.

Yes - the 'personal space' thing is a semi-valid point, and I'm much the same, but if I were to only be doing that long trip once a month, and I still have my daily 'short-distance' vehicle then I fail to see the issue.

A PHEV is all I'd consider at the moment as I only have one car, I don't have the time or money to consider moving my family around by public transport.

If you only do the odd long journey, maybe hire a car for the day

Jebus wept, it's bad enough when the wife borrows the car to go shopping, seat moved in all axis, mirrors moved, climate set to output at just below the level of the sun, equaliser and radio settings changed, I'll be buggered if I'm putting up with he foibles of sharing a car with the great unwashed and all the dirty stinking habits they have.

I saw an ID Buzz today, the first one I've seen. When VW make a Kombi version I might get one.

We are getting Leaf’s (Leaves ?) at work - I will miss our beemers .

Pirahna wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 4:31 pm I saw an ID Buzz today, the first one I've seen. When VW make a Kombi version I might get one.

Iirc they already have prototypes running.

Rockburner wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 5:55 pm

Pirahna wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 4:31 pm I saw an ID Buzz today, the first one I've seen. When VW make a Kombi version I might get one.

Iirc they already have prototypes running.

I did wonder. A short wheelbase Kombi is my ideal vehicle, that's probably why I own a T6 version.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/elec ... 43579.html

A battery startup is aiming to be the first company in the world to mass produce electric vehicle batteries with a range of 1,000km – roughly double the current standard.

China-based Gotion High Tech, which is a supplier to Volkswagen, unveiled its new L600 LMFP Astroinno battery at its annual technology conference, claiming that mass production will begin in 2024.

The lithium-manganese-iron-phosphate (LMFP) battery has already passed all necessary safety tests, the company said, and has a life cycle of 4,000 charge-discharge cycles – making it suitable for everyday electric cars.

The 1,000km range from a single charge gives the battery a potential lifetime range of 4 million kilometres, far exceeding the average lifespan of a car.

Until now, LMFP materials have suffered low conductivity, low compaction density and manganese dissolution at high temperatures, meaning they were too inefficient and unwieldy to use in EVs.