Afghanistan

[Yorick]

Some folk argue politics as though their life depends on it.

I CBA arguing shite.

[slowsider]

Some folk argue politics as though their life depends on it.

I CBA arguing shite.

I understand that its very warm in the 'Stan, but there are neither pools nor cheap beer.

[Bwana]

LOLz! 639 individuals charged, 140 police officers injured, $1.5 million in damages to the Capitol building. The FBI calls it an act of domestic terrorism. Yeah, it was a friggin family gathering. I think I'll consider the testimony of the police officers that were there as well as the FBI over some anonymous tool on the intertubes. I suppose 4 May 1970 at Kent State was a picnic and Auschwitz was a fat camp for Jews by your standards. Godwin's law was suspended in 2017.

That wall? It's supposed to keep people from crossing the border. It doesn't. That is the purpose. It's a huge failure. Expensive too. A fine testament to Trump's accomplishments.

Muppet indeed.

Wow! So because “the police” are bursting into tears over losing crowd control, that’s a terrorist incident. But you’re right, people walking all over the floor, sitting in chairs, it was mayhem. 140 stress related “injuries” I’ll wager. Only one person was murdered, one of the protesters. A police officer died several days later (at work) with a heart attack, several other of the crowd also had heart attacks. It really shows the “quality” of those “infiltrators” half of whom couldn’t jog to the nearest McDonalds.

Oh and it also shows the quality of the reporting when that officer it was claimed, died at the scene to pictures of someone setting off a fire extinguisher and claims of it being used as a club.

We will never get to see the truth. There must be hundreds if not thousands of hours of footage from that demonstration. Where is all that footage? Coming so soon after the burning, looting and murder brigade had destroyed so many inner cities, I would e pact to see some carnage, if this event is supposed to be worse. Maybe you could point me at some footage showing the carnage. Seems to me it has all been withheld. Wonder why that is? Perhaps because it looks like a group of tourists on a visit to the museum.

Your comparison with the Holocaust is beneath contempt.

“The wall” was never completed and yet it did work. Factually reducing the flood of illegal immigrants, drugs and people traffickers no matter how you attempt to spin it, the numbers went down dramatically. On the other hand, when the puppet president Biden was installed, the border became a massive crisis. So bad the mainstream media and big tech never show it. Kamala Harris had to be dragged kicking and screaming to make a show of “visiting” even if she needed up at an airport hundreds of miles away from the epicentre.

Looks like whoever is controlling Biden has decided they better put some of Trumps policies back in place. After deliberately and systematically removing all of Trumps work, they have realised they’re actually making a right mess of it. In fact I’d go as far as to say this administration have made a mess of everything they have done so far.

Except possibly the riot at the capitol, they have played that quite well. It would appear a fair few simple minded folk actually believe it was a “terrorist attack” and an “insurrection”.

Nice and convenient of you to ignore the monetary damage to the Capitol building. Ya kind of minimized the criminal charges that have been filed as well. There was also that gallows they took the trouble to build and bring to the area. All of Congress was hunkered down while the small force of police held the loons at bay. Smearing shit around was also a nice touch. They've got no clue about the identity of the person that deposited a couple of explosive devices.
Additional wall has fuckall to do with the fluctuations of movements across the border. The need for more wall was a figment of the Trump administration's mind. Wasted money

Your claim that we'll never know all the facts is accurate. We'll not know the number of weapons that were brought on site as the majority of arrests were made days, weeks, and months following the guided tour. But weapons were brought. You pretend that you're rooting out bias but your assessment is littered with it. I do love how you mock the police.



Speaking of simple minds, it takes a really simple one to minimize the violence displayed by the mob in the videos from the day.

[Bwana]

I am curious however where all the violence is even in that hour long propaganda film. That's not the security footage I refer to, it is a carefully edited montage. There's a broken window and someone kicking in a door.

That's all you see? Surely you didn't watch it in its entirety and note the times given during the narration. Listen to the what the rioters are shouting, it reveals their intent, and it was violence. Honestly, you really have lost all grasp on reality.

As far as the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Trump initiated that months before Biden finished it. There was no way for it to not be a clusterfuck. That won't stop armchair generals from shouting a never ending stream of bullshit. I will admit my bias, you seem to be in denial of yours to the point of delusion. One can only conclude you're either on a windup or your so biased you can't even detect reality.

[Screwdriver]

Nice and convenient of you to ignore the monetary damage to the Capitol building. Ya kind of minimized the criminal charges that have been filed as well. There was also that gallows they took the trouble to build and bring to the area. All of Congress was hunkered down while the small force of police held the loons at bay. Smearing shit around was also a nice touch. They've got no clue about the identity of the person that deposited a couple of explosive devices.
Additional wall has fuckall to do with the fluctuations of movements across the border. The need for more wall was a figment of the Trump administration's mind. Wasted money

Your claim that we'll never know all the facts is accurate. We'll not know the number of weapons that were brought on site as the majority of arrests were made days, weeks, and months following the guided tour. But weapons were brought. You pretend that you're rooting out bias but your assessment is littered with it. I do love how you mock the police.



Speaking of simple minds, it takes a really simple one to minimize the violence displayed by the mob in the videos from the day.

<yawn> ok, here we go again. Same overdramatised propaganda desperately edited to make it look like something happened.

Video #1: A bloke is leading a group of people up some stairs. He threatens to fall over as the officer pushes his shoulder. Officer decides discretion is the better part of valour and bravely runs away. Reporter "officer bravely leads protesters away from <the opposite direction>

Another attempt to convince the unthinking that Brian Sicknick was killed in the line of duty. The lies have changed, he's no longer been battered around the head with a fire extinguisher, he died of a stroke after returning to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56810371

Video #2: Much of the same except this gem.

Protester brandishing a weapon:

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And another brandishing "what looks like" a electric prod.

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Well I suppose it could be. Does look a bit like a spatula to me but hey ho, "it could be" the launch trigger for a nuclear weapon...

There is footage of that horrific moment when an officer is being crushed in a door. That is fucking horrible. That's crowd control for you - BAD crowd control.

Video #3. More of the same. Actually, there's nothing in this video except some dramatic white text on a black background, violent jump cuts and exaggerated claims made by voiceover for stuff that isn't actually happening. Guess they ran out of anything interesting to show.

You'll have to point out the actual violence because it makes Chelsea vs. Millwall look like a jolly day out.

I hesitate to post a link. No scrub that, you do it. Search for BLM or Antifa riot yourself. That's what an actual riot looks like. Groups of heavily armed individuals burning an entire neighbourhood to the ground, actual looting and murdering and destruction - even if the very same media organisations who manufacture the stories above tell you it's 93% "peaceful". I mean, what the actual fuck!

But hey, you believe what you want to believe. I'll believe it when I see it...

[Screwdriver]

Sorry for the badly edited response but I struggle with this version of forum software. Looks like two screenshots are duplicated but I can't unpick it. I have better things to do with my time than argue with someone who is seeing something that isn't there.