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[Asian Boss]

Please tell @demographic that. Thanks.

There are controls coming caused by Brexit that haven't even started yet, we're not even fully out yet and already it's a massive financial fuckup.
Name some wins?

Oh yeah... sovereignty...

Would you please compare in numerical terms the UK's current financial situation with what it would now have been had the UK remained in the EU.

Thanks.

Sounds like no Brexit wins to me.

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[Hoonercat]

The EU law is about people seeking asylum in the EU, these people aren't seeking asylum in the EU.

https://righttoremain.org.uk/the-new-as ... ity-rules/

The UK government has introduced new regulations under which they can rule that an asylum claim is inadmissible. This means the Home Office does not have to consider the claim in the UK if they rule that another country – a “safe third country” – should in fact be responsible for your asylum claim.

Which EU point of entry country(ies) could be considered to not be a "safe third country"?

You said the EU was not enforcing and EU law and to prove your point you make reference to a UK regulation ???

Enforcement is the job of individual countries, not the EU. The Dublin Regulation can only be applied to those who have entered the EU legally, those at Calais are aware of this so entered illegally which means neither France nor the UK can return them to the first safe country, because there is no evidence of where they should be returned to (if it were that simple, there'd be no need for Rwanda).
While the UK was in the EU, applications for asylum in the UK could be made from within the EU. That process became much more difficult after Brexit (along with legislation 'allowing' the UK to send them back to the first safe country), hence why the numbers making the crossing to Dover exploded after Brexit.
The increase in numbers is a direct result of Brexit. The legislation brought in is unworkable, just another headline grabber to give the impression of doing something about the problem. Instead of giving the Home Office the resources it needs to deal with this self-made problem, Boris will make it someone else's problem.

[Pirahna]

While the UK was in the EU, applications for asylum in the UK could be made from within the EU. That process became much more difficult after Brexit (along with legislation 'allowing' the UK to send them back to the first safe country), hence why the numbers making the crossing to Dover exploded after Brexit.

Just me being thick, I don't understand why the numbers increased after Brexit?

[Hoonercat]

While the UK was in the EU, applications for asylum in the UK could be made from within the EU. That process became much more difficult after Brexit (along with legislation 'allowing' the UK to send them back to the first safe country), hence why the numbers making the crossing to Dover exploded after Brexit.

Just me being thick, I don't understand why the numbers increased after Brexit?

While the UK was part of the EU, asylum claims to the UK could be made from another EU country. Now...

To claim asylum in the UK, a person must be in the UK. It is not possible to apply from outside the country, and there is no asylum visa.

[Pirahna]

While the UK was part of the EU, asylum claims to the UK could be made from another EU country. Now...

To claim asylum in the UK, a person must be in the UK. It is not possible to apply from outside the country, and there is no asylum visa.

Cheers, that's something I've learned today.

[demographic]

Would you please compare in numerical terms the UK's current financial situation with what it would now have been had the UK remained in the EU.

Thanks.

800 UK P&O jobs lost, and how many from other European countries?
How many pigs destroyed because there wasn't enough slaughtermen?

Impact of Brexit "Worse then Covid"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

So, hows those sunlit uplands?

[irie]

Would you please compare in numerical terms the UK's current financial situation with what it would now have been had the UK remained in the EU.

Thanks.

800 UK P&O jobs lost, and how many from other European countries?
How many pigs destroyed because there wasn't enough slaughtermen?

Impact of Brexit "Worse then Covid"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020

So, hows those sunlit uplands?

So nothing to "compare in numerical terms the UK's current financial situation with what it would now have been had the UK remained in the EU".

What would the UKs GDP now be had it remained in the EU?

[Horse]

Be nice to hear about the benefits... But no.

Anyway, Googling GDP finds:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020 October 2021

... the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

His comments come after the OBR said the cost of living could rise at its fastest rate for 30 years, with suggestions inflation could hit almost 5%.

Speaking after Wednesday's Budget, Mr Hughes said recent data showed the impact of Brexit was "broadly consistent" with the OBR's assumption that the leaving the EU would "reduce our long run GDP by around 4%"

[slowsider]

And theres this:

"A government fund designed to replace EU grants lost due to Brexit has been criticised as “nothing more than an outrage” that will leave English regions tens of millions of pounds worse off than when Britain was in the EU.

The Conservative’s 2019 manifesto promised “at a minimum” to match the average EU subsidy of about £1.5bn a year to help the most deprived parts of the UK.

But details of the government’s Shared Prosperity Fund show that it will hand out only £2.6bn over the next three years and will not match the previous EU funding level of £1.5bn a year until 2025"

[Horse]

If you have FT access, this has more:

https://www.ft.com/content/6885073e-662 ... 7bc6122d72

[Lutin]

Against the law? Why should Bozo care? UK Rwanda asylum plan against international law, says UN refugee agency

The UK's proposal to send some migrants who arrive in Britain on small boats to Rwanda is a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said.

The UNHCR called it a "troubling development" and said the UK was seeking to "shift responsibility".

[Mussels]

Against the law? Why should Bozo care? UK Rwanda asylum plan against international law, says UN refugee agency

The UK's proposal to send some migrants who arrive in Britain on small boats to Rwanda is a breach of international law, the UN's refugee agency has said.

The UNHCR called it a "troubling development" and said the UK was seeking to "shift responsibility".

Yet the UNHCR sends refugees to Rwanda for processing under their own deal.

[Horse]

@Mussels is this what you mean?

Https://help.unhcr.org/rwanda/

Welcome to the ‘Help’ website run by UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency. Here, refugees, asylum-seekers and stateless persons can find information to help them know more about their rights, obligations and services available to them in Rwanda.

On this site, refugees and asylum-seekers in Rwanda can find information about:

➡ Coronavirus (COVID-19 Updates)
➡ How to seek help and contact UNHCR
➡ Helpful services in Rwanda
➡ Registration
➡ Documentation
➡ Legal Assistance
➡ Education
➡ Have you experienced violence?
➡ Child Protection
➡ Family Reunification
➡ Resettlement
➡ Working in Rwanda
➡ Voluntary Return
➡ Food Assistance
➡ Complaints and Feedback
➡ Useful Information

[Mussels]

More this, they like to talk about how great their partnership with Rwanda is working out.
https://www.unhcr.org/rw/14222-mahama-r ... ugees.html

[slowsider]

More this, they like to talk about how great their partnership with Rwanda is working out.
https://www.unhcr.org/rw/14222-mahama-r ... ugees.html

You know where Burundi and DRC are, relative to Rwanda, right?

[Horse]

More this, they like to talk about how great their partnership with Rwanda is working out.
https://www.unhcr.org/rw/14222-mahama-r ... ugees.html

From the link:

Rwanda is hosting around 77,000 refugees from DRC, and, 71,000 refugees from Burundi amongst others, in camps and urban settings. As a result of election-related tensions in neighbouring Burundi, Rwanda has opened its border to Burundian refugees who have fled the country since April 2015.

UNHCR Kirehe Sub Office, in cooperation with the Government of Rwanda, is in charge of Mahama Refugee Camp, which is UNHCR’s sixth and newest camp in Rwanda.

That's not this:

UNHCR sends refugees to Rwanda for processing

Or are UNHCR in Burindi etc sending refugees to Rwanda?

[Mussels]

More this, they like to talk about how great their partnership with Rwanda is working out.
https://www.unhcr.org/rw/14222-mahama-r ... ugees.html

You know where Burundi and DRC are, relative to Rwanda, right?

Yes and clearly UNHCR thinks Rwanda is a safe and suitable place for refugees, only their refugees apparently.

[Horse]

More this, they like to talk about how great their partnership with Rwanda is working out.
https://www.unhcr.org/rw/14222-mahama-r ... ugees.html

You know where Burundi and DRC are, relative to Rwanda, right?

Yes and clearly UNHCR thinks Rwanda is a safe and suitable place for refugees, only their refugees apparently.

'Their'?

Again, are they in the other countries, arranging the move to Rwanda, or supporting them once the refugees have arrived there?

[Mussels]

If the problem is not processing but moving refugees to Rwanda then is Libya far enough away to count or is it just between continents that is bad?
https://www.unhcr.ca/news/third-group-r ... r-support/

[Horse]

If the problem is not processing but moving refugees to Rwanda then is Libya far enough away to count or is it just between continents that is bad?
https://www.unhcr.ca/news/third-group-r ... r-support/

The group of 116 landed at Kigali International Airport at 22:45 last night (Sunday 24 November). They have been taken to a transit facility in Gashora, where UNHCR is providing them with life-saving assistance, including food, water, medical care, psycho-social support, and accommodation.

“As violence in Tripoli intensifies, these evacuations have never been more urgent,” said Vincent Cochetel, UNHCR Special Envoy for the Central Mediterranean.

Are you drawing a comparison with the UK's care of asylum seekers?