Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[ZRX61]

On May 2, 2022, CAISO reported that California's electrical demands were met 100% by renewable energy sources for the first time. This was maintained for nearly 15 minutes. During this period, 12,391 of the 18,000 megawatts (68.8%) of statewide electrical demand were generated by PV systems alone. [58][/i][/size]

Ooooh!! 15 minutes!!.. so 1/96th of the day...

[Mr. Dazzle]

On May 2, 2022, CAISO reported that California's electrical demands were met 100% by renewable energy sources for the first time. This was maintained for nearly 15 minutes. During this period, 12,391 of the 18,000 megawatts (68.8%) of statewide electrical demand were generated by PV systems alone. [58][/i][/size]

What would the environmental cost be to accomplish this only using wind and solar energy technologies, meaning California’s existing wind and solar capacity would have to increase at least ten-fold?

Well someone's telling porkies. It would have to increase 10 fold, despite the fact it's already been done (for 15 mins )

[ZRX61]

Well someone's telling porkies. It would have to increase 10 fold, despite the fact it's already been done (for 15 mins )

What percentage of EV's were plugged in during those 15 minutes? I'd also be interested in knowing what time of day it happened, the link doesn't say.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I'm guessing it wasn't at night.

I've posted on here before the paper from the National Grid which shows (in the UK) that even if everyone switched to an EV tomorrow demand would still be less than in was in 2016. Why 2016? That's when UK consumption peaked.

[Cousin Jack]

I'm guessing it wasn't at night.

I've posted on here before the paper from the National Grid which shows (in the UK) that even if everyone switched to an EV tomorrow demand would still be less than in was in 2016. Why 2016? That's when UK consumption peaked.

If everyone switched to an EV and all of them plugged it in at the same time the UK demand would probably hit a new peak a fair bit higher than 2016. And the Grid would likely trip.

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

[Asian Boss]

I'm guessing it wasn't at night.

I've posted on here before the paper from the National Grid which shows (in the UK) that even if everyone switched to an EV tomorrow demand would still be less than in was in 2016. Why 2016? That's when UK consumption peaked.

If everyone switched to an EV and all of them plugged it in at the same time the UK demand would probably hit a new peak a fair bit higher than 2016. And the Grid would likely trip.

I think everyone plugging in an 'empty' electric car at the same time is unlikely.

Isn't the idea that electric cars can buffer the grid?

I might replace my aging barry'd up saloon and would consider hybrid, plug in hybrid and full electric.

I do need excellent range and speed though, in order to travel swiftly through the firmament making million pound business, million pound business, million pound business, INNIT!

[Cousin Jack]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

[Asian Boss]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

That might be due to gas shortages caused by the war and ting.

[Yambo]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

That might be due to gas shortages caused by the war and ting.

Yay! Luckily there'll be no gas shortages when everyone has an EV!

No wars!

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

They're concerned due to the availability of fuel, not the technical capacity of the grid itself. That ^^^ article is talking about what the grid is/will be capable of, assuming you've got fuel to put in the power stations be it gas, coal, uranium or sunlight etc. The current crisis is down to a problem with fuel supply, not the capacity of the grid/infrastructure.

[Cousin Jack]

They're concerned due to the availability of fuel, not the technical capacity of the grid itself. That ^^^ article is talking about what the grid is/will be capable of, assuming you've got fuel to put in the power stations be it gas, coal, uranium or sunlight etc. The current crisis is down to a problem with fuel supply, not the capacity of the grid/infrastructure.

So why are the National Grid funding trials of customers being encourage (with £ notes) to reduce peak demand? Surely if it is just a generating/fuel issue it should be the generating companies? Something, somewhere, doesn't quite add up.

I am sure you are right that a major problem is the lack of fuel for generation, but I have a sneaking suspicion that all is not well with the grid itself. In the last 10 years the pattern of consumption has changed a bit (like it always does), and the pattern of generation has changed a lot. Where are the new HV lines to take the green power from wind/solar farms to the consumers? I would have expected to see some major new pylon or UG routes being built, I haven't heard of much happening, and given that either OH or UG routes are a bit disruptive while being built I would have expected to have heard the complaints.

[Horse]

So why are the National Grid funding trials of customers being encourage (with £ notes) to reduce peak demand? Surely if it is just a generating/fuel issue it should be the generating companies? Something, somewhere, doesn't quite add up.

Put that in context, though. That's just one piece of research from a multitude.

And, along similar 'payment' themes, the Dutch used a similar format to encourage people to avoid congested roads and a trial years ago paid people to be 'better' drivers (keep within speed limit, maintain longer headways).

There's also been (long term - decades) research and development into using remote switching to ease peak demand, potentially temporarily switching off appliances or equipment, for example during 'half time' surges*.

* which also affect water demand when everyone flushes at the same time.

[ZRX61]

[Mussels]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

[Horse]

I doubt that anyone here is looking for a fleet purchase. But on the off-chance

https://batteriesnews.com/caterpillar-s ... ng-ground/

Caterpillar successfully demonstrates first battery electric large mining truck and invests in sustainable proving ground.

Caterpillar Inc. (NYSE: CAT) announced a successful demonstration of its first battery electric 793 large mining truck and a significant investment to transform its Arizona-based proving ground into a sustainable testing and validation hub of the future.

[ZRX61]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

Biden & Newsolini are always spouting that EV's will fix global warming, but I agree with you that neither are people of importance, unfortunately they both have the power to completely fuck things up.

[Cousin Jack]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

[Mussels]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

I think it's to improve air quality in cities, I never drive there so not sure why the backwards step is being forced on me as well.

[Cousin Jack]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

I think it's to improve air quality in cities, I never drive there so not sure why the backwards step is being forced on me as well.

I only have one local city. In reality it is a small/medium town. Air pollution is not a problem.