Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[Yambo]

We all know it's not flu. Flu is an irrelevance despite it killing lots of people every year.

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

You want a lockdown for flu?

Don't be so fuckin' dumb.

I don't want lockdowns for anything.

Yeah, I know you were responding to irie but you're still being obtuse.

[ZRX61]

LA County just decided that indoor masks are "mandatory" again after 11.59pm on Saturday. .

Sounds like a good call. The delta variant looks to be starting to make its presence felt over there.

The very next report on KTLA's website stated that the delta variant wasn't any more dangerous than the other variants to people who have been vaccinated:

Fully vaccinated people in Los Angeles County appear to be just as protected against infection from the highly contagious delta variant as they are from other versions of the coronavirus, public health officials said Thursday.
The delta variant is infecting fully vaccinated people at a slightly higher rate than other coronavirus variants, but it’s also the most prevalent version of the virus in the county. Plus, the illness is still largely spreading among the unvaccinated, L.A. County Health Officer Dr. Muntu Davis said in a media briefing.
Inoculated people account for 14% of delta variant cases sequenced versus unvaccinated people’s 86%, Davis said.

That compares to fully vaccinated people making up 9% of alpha variant cases, 8% of gamma variant infections and 11% of all other variant cases. That data comes from virus samples sequenced during the month of June.
“The differences among these percentages are still too small to be statistically significant and do not suggest large differences in the risk these variants pose in terms of fully vaccinated people,” Davis said.

Davis noted that fully vaccinated people are also more likely to have their specimen sequenced than those who are unvaccinated, meaning their share of cases could appear larger than it really is.
But officials have also seen positive tests among fully vaccinated people jump 46% over the past week, Davis said.
A total of 4,122 fully vaccinated people have now tested positive for the virus in L.A. County, or 0.09% of all vaccinated people. That’s up from 2,800 so-called breakthrough cases last week.

The increase in fully vaccinated people hospitalized was smaller, up to 213 from 195, and breakthrough deaths rose from 21 to 26. That’s 0.0045% of all inoculated people hospitalized, and fatalities among 0.0005%.

Davis said officials will monitor the rising cases among inoculated residents, but “at this point, I don’t make a lot of what we’re seeing in terms of fully vaccinated people”

Fears over the spread of the delta variant — which has been the most prominent in L.A. County since early June — prompted county public health officials to order everyone to wear masks in indoor public spaces again starting Saturday.
The county has seen a surge in cases this week, with single-day increases reaching levels not seen since March and several consecutive days with more than 1,000 new infections.

The best protection against the virus’ spread remains vaccination, but Davis said he’s disappointed that “overall vaccination numbers are lower than we need them to be.”

As of Thursday more than 5 million L.A. County residents were fully vaccinated, or 61% of all residents 16 and older. But fewer and fewer people are coming in to get their first shot each week, Davis said.

[Horse]

It may not be more dangerous, but it is more transmissible.

[slowsider]

We all know that flu is not Covid, but both are primarily communicable airborne diseases with similar transmission mechanisms and infection paths, and both can kill. Community responses should therefore be similar - flu is not irrelevant.

You want a lockdown for flu?

Don't be so fuckin' dumb.

I don't want lockdowns for anything.

Yeah, I know you were responding to irie but you're still being obtuse.

You're not the only one capable of being sarcastic

[irie]

I was being sarcastic.

Oops, sorry, my bad.

[Docca]

I’ve not delved into this thread for a long time. I found some of the discussion a little fixed -and nothing much seems to have changed.


It’s not about being dangerous ( delta variant) it’s about being more transmissible. More people = more people and that includes in beds, which impacts on things like surgical rotas.

Here, hospitals are getting busier. Primary care is at absolute breaking point and GPs are publicly quitting because they are so exhausted. One, ab ex commando in the armed forces left us this week because he was suicidal from the demand.

It’s bleak. I’m confident not so many will die from Covid, but it’s all those other illnesses that aren’t going to get a look in as our already threadbare health and care workforce get called upon again.

I’ll continue to wear my mask.

[weeksy]

Having seen the Charles Manson look you e been rocking, that can only be a good thing!

[irie]

I’ve not delved into this thread for a long time. I found some of the discussion a little fixed -and nothing much seems to have changed.

It’s not about being dangerous ( delta variant) it’s about being more transmissible. More people = more people and that includes in beds, which impacts on things like surgical rotas.

Here, hospitals are getting busier. Primary care is at absolute breaking point and GPs are publicly quitting because they are so exhausted. One, ab ex commando in the armed forces left us this week because he was suicidal from the demand.

It’s bleak. I’m confident not so many will die from Covid, but it’s all those other illnesses that aren’t going to get a look in as our already threadbare health and care workforce get called upon again.

I’ll continue to wear my mask.

Is there an imminent risk of the NHS being overwhelmed by Covid cases?

[Docca]

I’ve not delved into this thread for a long time. I found some of the discussion a little fixed -and nothing much seems to have changed.

It’s not about being dangerous ( delta variant) it’s about being more transmissible. More people = more people and that includes in beds, which impacts on things like surgical rotas.

Here, hospitals are getting busier. Primary care is at absolute breaking point and GPs are publicly quitting because they are so exhausted. One, ab ex commando in the armed forces left us this week because he was suicidal from the demand.

It’s bleak. I’m confident not so many will die from Covid, but it’s all those other illnesses that aren’t going to get a look in as our already threadbare health and care workforce get called upon again.

I’ll continue to wear my mask.

Is there an imminent risk of the NHS being overwhelmed by Covid cases?

Depends what you mean by the NHS? If that’s primary care/GPs - they are already at and beyond overrun. Don’t forget it’s Covid related stuff, such as the mental health fallout.

Admissions are definitely up but nowhere near January- however the trend is going up, and we are about to allow public orgies from Monday.

Again though, it’s the wider impact on other treatments and delays.

We’re also seeing huge spikes in children’s services stuff, especially eating disorders.

Weeksy- ITYM Bronson

[weeksy]

Weeksy- ITYM Bronson

Bah! Typing on the fly. !

[Supermofo]

My neighbour is a firearms copper, he's just been sent home for 10 days. His team are down to 5 at work now.

We've also had very little post last few days and apparently the local posties office have near 70% of staff in isolation.

We'll all be in lockdown by self isolation in 2 weeks

[ZRX61]

LOS ANGELES COUNTY HEALTH OFFICER ORDER MODIFICATION MASKING WHILE INDOORS
Forcing the vaccinated and those who already contracted COVID-19 to wear masks indoors is not backed by science and contradicts the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines.
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (DPH) has authority to enforce the order, but the underfunded/defunded Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department will not expend our limited resources and instead ask for voluntary compliance.
We encourage the DPH to work collaboratively with the Board of Supervisors and law enforcement to establishment mandates that are both achievable and supported by science.
Sheriff Alex Villanueva

Translation: LA County DPH can go fuck themselves.

[Noggin]

LOS ANGELES COUNTY HEALTH OFFICER ORDER MODIFICATION MASKING WHILE INDOORS
Forcing the vaccinated and those who already contracted COVID-19 to wear masks indoors is not backed by science and contradicts the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines.
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (DPH) has authority to enforce the order, but the underfunded/defunded Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department will not expend our limited resources and instead ask for voluntary compliance.
We encourage the DPH to work collaboratively with the Board of Supervisors and law enforcement to establishment mandates that are both achievable and supported by science.
Sheriff Alex Villanueva

Translation: LA County DPH can go fuck themselves.

Since people who are vaccinated can be carriers and pass teh virus to others, why WOULDN'T you wear a mask indoors? I know you have hearing issues, so I accept that is different

But in general, why be so totally negative about masks when they help protect Others?

[Skub]

Last night my wife's brother had a suspected heart attack, it's not looking good for him, but we can't get back and even if we could we wouldn't be able to visit, his wife wasn't even allowed to travel in the ambulance with him even though he was right on the edge of life and death.
My wife is now pacing up and down with her phone trying to find some sort of convoluted passageway into the UK - it's going to take 11 nights however we slice it and by then he'll either be on the mend or dead, but she's still trying.

I can't help feeling a bit angry about it, if we'd been on the piss on a party island for two weeks with other people from all over the world we could hop on a plane no bother.

I hope your BIL pulls through man. Folk's resilience can be surprising at times.

[slowsider]

Shit news. Good luck with the travel plans.

[irie]

I’ve not delved into this thread for a long time. I found some of the discussion a little fixed -and nothing much seems to have changed.

It’s not about being dangerous ( delta variant) it’s about being more transmissible. More people = more people and that includes in beds, which impacts on things like surgical rotas.

Here, hospitals are getting busier. Primary care is at absolute breaking point and GPs are publicly quitting because they are so exhausted. One, ab ex commando in the armed forces left us this week because he was suicidal from the demand.

It’s bleak. I’m confident not so many will die from Covid, but it’s all those other illnesses that aren’t going to get a look in as our already threadbare health and care workforce get called upon again.

I’ll continue to wear my mask.

Is there an imminent risk of the NHS being overwhelmed by Covid cases?

Depends what you mean by the NHS? If that’s primary care/GPs - they are already at and beyond overrun. Don’t forget it’s Covid related stuff, such as the mental health fallout.

Since the pandemic started, when the government has referred to 'preventing the NHS being overwhelmed' it has meant secondary care such as hospital beds and ITU/critical care beds, and this is what I meant.

Admissions are definitely up but nowhere near January- however the trend is going up, and we are about to allow public orgies from Monday.

Again though, it’s the wider impact on other treatments and delays.

We’re also seeing huge spikes in children’s services stuff, especially eating disorders.

Weeksy- ITYM Bronson

So the above answer to this question is no.

But as you say, non-secondary services are severely impacted.

[Docca]

You weren’t very clear at all.I like you Irie, but you really struggle to see around the edges. If it’s not black and white, you won’t register it. How you measure capacity, how you measure staff wellbeing - how you measure pressure- it isn’t purely about bed usage ( which is also up).

So in black and white terms, we don’t have the same numbers as January. However, the numbers are on the up and the same exhausted staff are now up against it again.

Also, those life lengthening operations and procedures that take place all year round are again being stood down. The acuity of this untreated cohort goes up and they can become more acutely unwell and need emergency care…which is again a struggle because we are filling up.

Iccy: shit news about your BIl. Best wishes for safe passage and a speedy recovery.

[Noggin]

Last night my wife's brother had a suspected heart attack, it's not looking good for him, but we can't get back and even if we could we wouldn't be able to visit, his wife wasn't even allowed to travel in the ambulance with him even though he was right on the edge of life and death.
My wife is now pacing up and down with her phone trying to find some sort of convoluted passageway into the UK - it's going to take 11 nights however we slice it and by then he'll either be on the mend or dead, but she's still trying.

I can't help feeling a bit angry about it, if we'd been on the piss on a party island for two weeks with other people from all over the world we could hop on a plane no bother.

Hugs to you all. It sucks big ones. Hope he pulls through xxx

[ZRX61]

Since people who are vaccinated can be carriers and pass teh virus to others, why WOULDN'T you wear a mask indoors? I know you have hearing issues, so I accept that is different

But in general, why be so totally negative about masks when they help protect Others?

Because LA County DPH has gone rogue & is now ignoring the CDC, Fauci & everyone else's guidelines/science etc. The chances of a vaccinated person infecting an unvaccinated person are pretty much zero.. & it's not MY problem if THEY choose not to get the vaccine.

Local media is now using percentages instead of actual numbers to make the issue to be much bigger than it really is. *50% higher than two days ago* sounds worse than "1000 unvaccinated people in a population of 10,400,000"

I also have diminished lung function from a previous bout of pneumonia, can get out of breath just standing at the sink doing washing up some days. I think they came up with at least 15 exemptions for wearing a mask. I'm covered by 3 or 4 of them... but even if I wasn't, I still wouldn't comply/obey at this point.

Yesterday, NY Governor Cuomo suggested that people should still wear masks to prevent transmission of the common cold...That went over well.

[irie]

You weren’t very clear at all.I like you Irie, but you really struggle to see around the edges. If it’s not black and white, you won’t register it. How you measure capacity, how you measure staff wellbeing - how you measure pressure- it isn’t purely about bed usage ( which is also up).

So in black and white terms, we don’t have the same numbers as January. However, the numbers are on the up and the same exhausted staff are now up against it again.

Also, those life lengthening operations and procedures that take place all year round are again being stood down. The acuity of this untreated cohort goes up and they can become more acutely unwell and need emergency care…which is again a struggle because we are filling up.

Iccy: shit news about your BIl. Best wishes for safe passage and a speedy recovery.

Yet again you struggle to see the forest for the trees, but that's understandable given the huge pressure you are under.