In todays news...

[Mr. Dazzle]

Timing may be critical here, you could read this in a few ways:

The driver pulled over to try to save the woman before getting back in to stop the attack while others waited for the police to arrive, Jiyad said.

I.e. he might have got out to help the woman and then some time passed before he got back in his car to chase down the stabber. That wouldn't be helping or self defence, that'd be "trying to catch the guy with your car after the crime is over" which is a very different situation innit? Who knows.

[JackyJoll]

And a jury may well think he's a hero.

They may well. But in the meantime, he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.

Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.

The BBC link says he has been charged with murder.

Getting bail for murder is not unknown these days.

[JackyJoll]

Common sense might favour investigating first, and arresting people when the facts are known.

If it is as clear cut as sugested he probably has a good defence, but being arrested for murder is no joke.

Common sense tells me arrest someone immediately if you think they’ve deliberately killed a person.

[Cousin Jack]

Arguably they tried to stop someone else killing someone, and accidently killed the person they were trying to stop.

[Mussels]

The Beeb now has a statement saying the driver hit both of them, a bit of blunt instrument unless the driver can say he thought the knifeman was going on to stab other people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60088244

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

There may be more to come out but on the face of it it doesn’t bode well for people who try to intervene and help.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05b8 ... bdb7c16dc5

So I've just read the article and I've gathered the following

A 43 year old woman was stabbed by a 41 year old man who was known to her
The 41 year old was killed by a 26 year old man using a blue Renault Clio

Witness 1 says that the victim was a 24 to 25 year old white woman being stabbed by a black man of a similar age
Witness 2 says the stabber was middle eastern

[Hoonercat]

Seems to be conflicting reports from witnesses. One had said the driver hit both the attacker and victim as soon as the attack spilled out onto the street, others said the driver (and others) tried to intervene then got back in his car and drove at the attacker. If the attack was still ongoing, it would take some skilled driving to only hit one of the two people with enough speed to cause a death, assuming they were within stabbing distance of each other.

[JackyJoll]

So I've just read the article and I've gathered the following

A 43 year old woman was stabbed by a 41 year old man who was known to her
The 41 year old was killed by a 26 year old man using a blue Renault Clio

Witness 1 says that the victim was a 24 to 25 year old white woman being stabbed by a black man of a similar age
Witness 2 says the stabber was middle eastern

That’s what witnesses are like!

[KungFooBob]

Why is no one worried about the Clangers?

This could be an extinction level event for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... h-the-moon

[irie]

Why is no one worried about the Clangers?

This could be an extinction level event for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... h-the-moon

4 tonnes travelling at about 9,000 kph - the Clangers had better duck down!

[JackyJoll]

Arguably they tried to stop someone else killing someone, and accidently killed the person they were trying to stop.

Arguments are for later.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Why is no one worried about the Clangers?

This could be an extinction level event for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... h-the-moon

They did it deliberately back in the Apollo project. The Saturn IV-B booster, the last stage of the Saturn V rocket, was deliberately crashed into the moon. It was a two fold reason; The wanted to make sure there was zero chance it would ever catch up with the manned spacecraft it had just deployed and they used the impact (in conjunction with Seismometers left by the manned landings) to study the internal structure of the moon.

At least one of them didn't quite go to plan and is still up there. It was 'rediscovered' as a white painted asteroid some years later.

[JackyJoll]

he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.

Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.

According to the News, he’s on bail now, after being charged.

So you’re somewhat pessimistic.

[wheelnut]

he's been arrested for murder, and if charged, will spend a year or so on remand (probably losing his job and likely his house) and then have the stress of the trial.

Hopefully it's a big 'if' that he will get charged.

According to the News, he’s on bail now, after being charged.

So you’re somewhat pessimistic.

If he’s been charged then I suspect he’s failing to see the bright side.

[JackyJoll]

If he’s been charged then I suspect he’s failing to see the bright side.

He’ll be quite worried. I would be.

[Mussels]

And I thought Starmer hadn't achieved anything.
BBC News - Laura Pidcock quits Labour ruling body over treatment of the left
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60148001

[gremlin]

As somebody with a possible, tenuous and very dubious link to the Dumnonii Tribe, I feel deeply offended that my (long-dead) community is being used in this way. It's cultural appropriation. Or something.

Exeter Chiefs to drop Native American branding

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/60155782

[JackyJoll]

As somebody with a possible, tenuous and very dubious link to the Dumnonii Tribe, I feel deeply offended that my (long-dead) community is being used in this way.

I’m more likely to be descended from the Smartnomii tribe, I reckon.

[gremlin]

I guess the Kaiser Chiefs are going to have to have a bit of a rethink....

[slowsider]

As somebody with a possible, tenuous and very dubious link to the Dumnonii Tribe, I feel deeply offended that my (long-dead) community is being used in this way.

I’m more likely to be descended from the Smartnomii tribe, I reckon.

Not on present evidence.