Will Russia invade the Ukraine?

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Will Russia invade the Ukraine

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Re: Will Russia invade the Ukraine?

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irie wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:52 am Wonder if/when the Kerch bridge will be made militarily unusable?
Accident, or Ukrainian attack?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/08/europe/c ... index.html
A fuel tank exploded early Saturday on Europe’s longest bridge, which links Russia to the annexed territory of Crimea, according to Russian state media RIA and social media footage.

Images of the Kerch bridge posted on social media appear to show a portion of the roadway of the vehicle and rail bridge had fallen into the waters below it. Flames are seen burning from rail cars above.
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:clap: Kerching! :clap:

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Mussels wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:08 pm The Wall Street Journal made an intersting statement which I could well believe.
The biggest supplier of heavy weaponry to Ukraine is Russia due to all of the kit they abandon when running away.
The Times said the same thing this morning. Apparently the Russians aren’t disabling their tanks when they are leaving them behind. The Ukrainians are just jumping in them.
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Horse wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am :clap: Kerching! :clap:

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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:48 am
Horse wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am :clap: Kerching! :clap:

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JackyJoll wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:48 am
Horse wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am :clap: Kerching! :clap:

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Yeah well everyone hates you in this dorm, obviously, but why has he got Mingthemerciless on ignore too?
The above peurile post is indicative of why @Horse is on 'ignore' along with the slow one from Tipperary and the dog lover in his (iirc) Bulgarian paradise.

The @MingtheMerciless post only made sense if one read the previous posts, which I didn't of course.
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:D

Odd that he [modestly] thinks it refers to him, since it contained no context ...
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Video from bridge control room (allegedly):
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Horse wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:02 am
JackyJoll wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:48 am
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Horse wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:04 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-63183783

Reporting it has collapsed
Reports of my death errr its collapse etc.
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Given the current rate of Ukrainian military advances, with 190 mile range HIMARS launched ATACMS with one assumes M30A1 warheads virtually the whole of Crimea would soon be within devastating Ukrainian rocket range ...
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According to some Russian media the UK did the bridge in.
Crimean Bridge: Traces of sabotage lead to England
The British SAS has long hunted for a crossing through the Kerch Strait
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The SAS have a long history of Auntie Mabel dying unexpectedly and troops having to go on compassionate leave to far flung places.
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Mussels wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:52 pm According to some Russian media the UK did the bridge in.
Crimean Bridge: Traces of sabotage lead to England
The British SAS has long hunted for a crossing through the Kerch Strait
I’d like to think our lads could break a bridge so it stayed broken.
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Bridge like that can only be destroyed from below. Something is definitely entering into the frame underneath the precise location of the explosion just before it goes off. Pictures show no evidence of an explosion on top of the collapsed road section, rules out a truck bomb imho.

My money's on a floating or submersible bomb. Possibly developed for this specific target.
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Screwdriver wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:23 am Bridge like that can only be destroyed from below. Something is definitely entering into the frame underneath the precise location of the explosion just before it goes off. Pictures show no evidence of an explosion on top of the collapsed road section, rules out a truck bomb imho.

My money's on a floating or submersible bomb. Possibly developed for this specific target.
https://news.sky.com/video/special-forc ... t-12715274
Defence analyst Professor Michael Clarke says Russia's claim that a vehicle exploded on the Kerch Bridge is "ridiculous".
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Screwdriver wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:23 am Bridge like that can only be destroyed from below.
Might want to tell that to every air force in the world then, so they stop targeting bridges ;)

I was idly thinking about this yesterday. It seems unlikely to me too that a truck bomb would do much, it'd all just go "up" in the bang. But then I got to thinking that if you knew what you were doing you wouldn't just pack a truck with explosives and light the fuse...there's loads you can do with explosives to direct the blast right? The little NLAW single use rockets have shown that in this very conflict, little dinky shoulder launched things taking out tanks left right and centre.

it's a question for the civil engineers and demolition crews, not the military analysts?
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:34 pm
Screwdriver wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:23 am Bridge like that can only be destroyed from below.
Might want to tell that to every air force in the world then, so they stop targeting bridges ;)

I was idly thinking about this yesterday. It seems unlikely to me too that a truck bomb would do much, it'd all just go "up" in the bang. But then I got to thinking that if you knew what you were doing you wouldn't just pack a truck with explosives and light the fuse...there's loads you can do with explosives to direct the blast right? The little NLAW single use rockets have shown that in this very conflict, little dinky shoulder launched things taking out tanks left right and centre.
Yebbut, a shaped charge poking a hole in a tank is a different scale to taking down a bridge.
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slowsider wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:08 pm Yebbut, a shaped charge poking a hole in a tank is a different scale to taking down a bridge.
It is...but you don't have to damage a bridge that much to make it fall down, you just have to damage in the right place. They're not built with loads of duplicated features.

Well....this one was actually, which is why only half of it was damaged :D