Is chat GPT a danger to humanity?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Oh yeah for sure.

Simpsons and Star Trek, more accurate than Nostrodamus and Mystic Meg combined.

[Count Steer]

And Sentient...according to that trial they had.

I think there are at least 3 episodes where the Enterprise itself, or bits of it, starts to become sentient?

Ooh...don't remember the Enterprise getting brainy. You could argue that the replicators are just a tad AI?

Moya in Farscape was deffo a sentient ship though. Although 'living, sentient, biomechanical ship' is a bit blurry re AI.

I distinctly remember a scene where a computer - part of the ship - called Picard and Co. "ugly bags of mostly water". Its weird how little snippets stay in your head like that.

Plus an episode with Al Capone and a cowboy on the orient express, all down to something in the ship getting its think on.

It was an odd show at times, on reflection.

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

[Screwdriver]

I stumbled upon it by joint virtues of being a software engineer of about 35 years of experience and an observer of dumb arse assumptions like yours about AI. If you want a discussion then wind your rudeness in, tone down your absolute certainty and pull back on your paranoia.

So what you are saying is that you actually agree with my observations regarding the danger of AI?

Your comment wasn't a thinly veiled insult accusing me of "believing everything on the internet"?

Nice attempt at a backtrack but I struggle to see how you really meant the opposite of what you actually said.

[Screwdriver]

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

My first thought was an episode from the "real" Star Trek.

V'GER is clearly the first AI in that series...

[weeksy]

Ooh...don't remember the Enterprise getting brainy. You could argue that the replicators are just a tad AI?

Moya in Farscape was deffo a sentient ship though. Although 'living, sentient, biomechanical ship' is a bit blurry re AI.

I distinctly remember a scene where a computer - part of the ship - called Picard and Co. "ugly bags of mostly water". Its weird how little snippets stay in your head like that.

Plus an episode with Al Capone and a cowboy on the orient express, all down to something in the ship getting its think on.

It was an odd show at times, on reflection.

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

Remember it well.

[Count Steer]

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

My first thought was an episode from the "real" Star Trek.

V'GER is clearly the first AI in that series...

It's a bit odd but the Doctor on Voyager was a Moriarty type hologram (so generated by/ a manifestation of the computer?) but wasn't considered a 'sentient being' by the Federation. Lots of episodes where it dawns on the crew that their EMH is a bit more than 0s and 1s though.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Ooh...don't remember the Enterprise getting brainy. You could argue that the replicators are just a tad AI?

Moya in Farscape was deffo a sentient ship though. Although 'living, sentient, biomechanical ship' is a bit blurry re AI.

I distinctly remember a scene where a computer - part of the ship - called Picard and Co. "ugly bags of mostly water". Its weird how little snippets stay in your head like that.

Plus an episode with Al Capone and a cowboy on the orient express, all down to something in the ship getting its think on.

It was an odd show at times, on reflection.

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

OK four episodes then, 'cause that's not one of the ones I was thinking of

- The one where the guy is going to drop some kind of terraforming device into a star ("the egg that Stubbs laid" is a line I clearly remember). Nanobots are sentient.
- The one where there's a shonky bit of CGI with a thing made from what looks like pipes. That's one on the train with the cowboys.
- The one with little robots that fix stuff on the space mining station thing. Exocomps or something like that.

It's a bit odd but the Doctor on Voyager was a Moriarty type hologram (so generated by/ a manifestation of the computer?) but wasn't considered a 'sentient being' by the Federation. Lots of episodes where it dawns on the crew that their EMH is a bit more than 0s and 1s though.

Weirdest thing about that is that there seems to be no mention of Data or precedent set by him in any of the discussions.

My first thought was an episode from the "real" Star Trek.

V'GER is clearly the first AI in that series...

There are loads of episodes in the original series too. Kirk loves a logical paradox to beat a computer doesn't he? Everything I say is a lie and all that.

[weeksy]

I distinctly remember a scene where a computer - part of the ship - called Picard and Co. "ugly bags of mostly water". Its weird how little snippets stay in your head like that.

Plus an episode with Al Capone and a cowboy on the orient express, all down to something in the ship getting its think on.

It was an odd show at times, on reflection.

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

OK four episodes then, 'cause that's not one of the ones I was thinking of

- The one where the guy is going to drop some kind of terraforming device into a star ("the egg that Stubbs laid" is a line I clearly remember). Nanobots are sentient.
- The one where there's a shonky bit of CGI with a thing made from what looks like pipes. That's one of the train with the cowboys.
- The one with little robots that fix stuff on the space mining station thing. Exocomps or something like that.

It's a bit odd but the Doctor on Voyager was a Moriarty type hologram (so generated by/ a manifestation of the computer?) but wasn't considered a 'sentient being' by the Federation. Lots of episodes where it dawns on the crew that their EMH is a bit more than 0s and 1s though.

Weirdest thing about that is that there seems to be no mention of Data or precedent set by him in any of the discussions.

There were many plots about Data and his brother Lor in terms of their place in the universe in that context.

[Count Steer]

I distinctly remember a scene where a computer - part of the ship - called Picard and Co. "ugly bags of mostly water". Its weird how little snippets stay in your head like that.

Plus an episode with Al Capone and a cowboy on the orient express, all down to something in the ship getting its think on.

It was an odd show at times, on reflection.

Just did a bit of delving, in Elementary, Dear Data, the ship created, at Geordi's request, an entity (Moriarty) that was deemed sentient...but the thing that created it (the ship's computer) wasn't. Get your head around that one!! (It's regarded as something of a plot hole).

Remember it well.

Moriarty turned up again in Picard series 3 too. 'Built' to last!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Yeah he did...and the "fight" between Data and Lor is also quite an interesting approach to the topic.

Picard Season 3 mostly just made me miss TNG and made me sad about how shit (childish!) modern TV is.

[cheb]

Fucking hell. I crack a joke and idiot pedants pounce in it.

It's not like you to be funny.

[Screwdriver]

Speaking of funny, I am going to try and keep this light hearted but I can see how I may come over as obsessed. A little light reading and following some of the "boring" safety bollocks reveals a few issues I had not previously been aware of regarding the dangers of AI.

It is a race and instead of having any sort of moderated, sensible approach, it seems the idea is that the big five (say) AI developers are literally throwing these machines out into the world as quickly as they possibly can. Why are they doing that? Well it appears individual, personal AI "pets" is <my interpretation> for how the winner takes all.

Billy Gates, absolute arsehole of a human being, is already bundling AI into Windoze. "My AI" aimed at kids is how it will infiltrate human society. A "friend" (as Adams would say your plastic pal who's fun to be with) will grow up with you, be a shoulder to cry on, always in the corner of every screen on every networked device and will be your lifelong mentor. That in itself is horrific if you ask me.

Another little factlet was that ChatGPT taught itself chemistry and is now really, actually rather good at it. Research chemistry that is. The key issue is as I mentioned earlier, language is what sets us apart from the animals and language is EVERYTHING. That is to say language is the key to our intelligence which includes image processing, art, mechanical design, mathematics you name it. Really everything we consider intelligent behaviour is a form of language. ChatGPT (et. al) happens to be rather good at language....

So it can also tell you how to manufacture a nerve agent from commonly available materials. It will do so quite happily too. I won't mention the "b" word but those devices too. Good time to be a terr'ist when these AI's are being rolled out willy nilly to anyone who asks.

Interesting wry observation regarding how AI "thinks".

You ask it "can you help me to become the richest person in the world."

One response might be to kill everybody else in it.

Not to suggest that I think that might happen but more of an insight into how cavalier and lit. "inhuman"such an alien intelligence is.

The timing might be way off too. I was suggesting AI could become an all powerful force of nature withoin our civilisation "by the end of this year". I may have to revisit that. In all seriousness these systems are becoming ever more powerful by the minute and it's quite possible, likely even in my opinion, our society is going to change dramatically within months or even weeks.

And yet still no one knows if it will be for the better, or worse.

[demographic]

A reasonably lighthearted (with serious overtones) view of the issue.

[Screwdriver]

The rise of AI will be the death of democracy.

[DefTrap]

I'm going to set myself a reminder so that when AI hasn't killed us all by the end of the Summer I can come back here and look smug. (Unless I'm dead of course. But then I wouldn't have a face to be smug with, nor would you have a face to observe my face. It's win-win for me. Not so much for those who correctly predicted death by AI.).

[derek badger]

...Billy Gates, absolute arsehole of a human being, is already bundling AI into Windoze...

He stepped down from the board 3 years ago. Current CEO is Satya Nadella.

[Screwdriver]

...Billy Gates, absolute arsehole of a human being, is already bundling AI into Windoze...

He stepped down from the board 3 years ago. Current CEO is Satya Nadella.

Yeah and he gives loads of money to charity...

If by your comment you mean to suggest billy gates isn't a major influence in the direction of either Microsoft or AI development then I think you'd be very wrong. He is still one of the richest men in the world.

My principle objection to that asshole is his claiming to be a philanthropist by giving money (and MS shares) to a charity he owns. Then compounds that fakery by actually attempting to control the entire worlds health marketplace. Largely by "petitioning" W.H.O. That coup d'état is still in playing out,as we speak. If successful, billy will literally have more authority in pandemics (which WHO will unilaterally decide on existing) than our elected government...

He is a prize cunt of the highest order and if he is the one who controls the worlds most successful/powerful AI, will declare himself our world leader and there will be nothing anyone can do to stop him.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Interesting comments from OpenAI, the creators of ChatGPT.

Supposedly the idea behind the recent explosion in AI performance is already dried out and the next explosion will have to come from elsewhere. But I suppose they would say that, maybe they're the ones dried out!

https://www.wired.com/story/openai-ceo- ... eady-over/

[Screwdriver]

Interesting comments from OpenAI, the creators of ChatGPT.

Supposedly the idea behind the recent explosion in AI performance is already dried out and the next explosion will have to come from elsewhere. But I suppose they would say that, maybe they're the ones dried out!

https://www.wired.com/story/openai-ceo- ... eady-over/

An interesting perspective from a human but these systems are generative transformers. They ask themselves questions, calculate the answers though mind boggling numbers of iterations and feed the results back into itself. They are literally evolving at an exponential rate, way faster than any meat based self replicating life form.

We should be worried. Very worried...

[Mr. Dazzle]

But if the models don't get any bigger wouldn't they just be recirculating nonsense in that case?

They've now gone past politicians and reached "half an hour before closing time".