Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:49 am
I've given Mrs D injections at home following major surgery...fully legit, NHS issued jabs etc. They didn't train me at all, just gave me a leaflet.
Now I'm not suggesting vaccinations are as simple as that. But these are extraordinary times and it feels like a pragmatic approach is needed.
^^^^^ That.
When my wife started chemo she was told that the District Nurses would come round every day to give her an injection in her abdomenn - I think it was to counter the sickness side effects. She said "Why send the nurses, he can do it." pointing at me. I told them they'd have to show me the best/proper way which they did. I was injecting her for weeks, every day.
Horse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:55 am
Training and support provided
Training requirements will be a blend of online learning and COVID-secure, face-to-face training. If your registration is successful, we require 21.5 hours of training for the Volunteer Vaccinator role over a period of four weeks covering:
Welcome programme introducing you to the project and wider charity.
Training on appropriate IT Systems and processes associated with this project.
Moving and handling.
Training in appropriate St John Ambulance policies.
St John Ambulance Safeguarding training relevant to your role.
So half an hour of how to poke someone with a needle and 21 hours of how their bureaucracy works then.
Horse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:55 am
Training and support provided
Training requirements will be a blend of online learning and COVID-secure, face-to-face training. If your registration is successful, we require 21.5 hours of training for the Volunteer Vaccinator role over a period of four weeks covering:
Welcome programme introducing you to the project and wider charity.
Training on appropriate IT Systems and processes associated with this project.
Moving and handling.
Training in appropriate St John Ambulance policies.
St John Ambulance Safeguarding training relevant to your role.
So half an hour of how to poke someone with a needle and 21 hours of how their bureaucracy works then.
And as my pal the retired consultant surgeon put it "Plus a jobsworth to give you instructions on how to do what you've been doing successfully for 40 years!".
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
@docca - imho some of the NHS’ existing problems comes from devolution. Ie one trust does X another does Y and another does V. The idea of letting each trust go each own way would scare the shit out of me. I already see enough variation in systems owing to trust differences. If we take one area I know well call and dispatch for 9’s.
Each trust does its own thing, they all buy independently, and then all bespoke the systems... this has a whole raft of implications, from huge overbearing costs, to interoperability issues, right down to the inability to update to modern OS in a supported manner.
There is a current hot potato of security across NHS systems which is costing an absolute fortune, and each trust is going its own way to meet the criteria, most of which simply cannot be done, let alone in the timescales requested. Thus they are now about to blow a fortune with half measure and work arounds.
I’m not sure what the solution is,but I find it hard to see more devotional is the answer. What it takes to jab someone in Norwich is no different to what it takes to jab someone in London....
The trusts aren't even consistent in their medical approach.
Mrs. D broke her leg last year. She was able to find half a dozen different official NHS advice documents that are handed to patients, often containing completely contradictory information!
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:07 am
This all goes to show one thing, if/when something proper deadly comes along, for all its science and tech, the human race is fucked.
I think part of the problem with Covid is precisely the fact its NOT that deadly. It makes it a lot easier to ignore doesn't it?
Given the devastation and financial chaos its caused with its low death rate, you can only say thank fuck it isn't more deadly!
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:07 am
This all goes to show one thing, if/when something proper deadly comes along, for all its science and tech, the human race is fucked.
I think part of the problem with Covid is precisely the fact its NOT that deadly. It makes it a lot easier to ignore doesn't it?
Given the devastation and financial chaos its caused with its low death rate, you can only say thank fuck it isn't more deadly!
I suppose that if it had been more, and relatively instantly, fatal, then pressure on hospitals wouldn't have been an issue.
We would have been stood at our doors applauding undertakers and crematorium staff.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:16 pm
If the NHS fails to do so it will be responsible for the excess deaths resulting from its failure to do so.
And it probably will fail to do so because the management of the NHS will be absolutely shit scared to vaccinate people in case they get sued for it not working.
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:33 am
Its about 8500 people, based on working a 40 hour week.
Ridiculous paperwork does seem well....ridiculous! I would say that's a rod the public sector has made for their own back, but it's actually a rod they've made for everyone else's back.
Edit: For scale the NHS currently has about 1.4 million staff.
There's been extensive effort (now IIRC a soaraway Sun campaign) to recruit volunteers. I think it was an initial 21 hours training commitment on top of the other pre-enrollment qualifications required. I'm not surprised that many are put off.
I'm up to snuff with all core mandatory training currently -i have done the Pfizer training and just did the Astra Zeneca as well - took 30 mins .
I'll find out on Monday what happens next -
A grip need to be got
irie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:16 pm
If the NHS fails to do so it will be responsible for the excess deaths resulting from its failure to do so.
And it probably will fail to do so because the management of the NHS will be absolutely shit scared to vaccinate people in case they get sued for it not working.
Nurse friend of ours who retired from the NHS (ward sister) 6 years ago has just completed the online course to bring her up-to-date. She said it took her two days but don't know how long she spent online during those two days.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:27 pm
Much as this training/paperwork issue winds me up, I understand why they do it. I can already see the Daily Mail headlines...
"Child molesting muslamic immigrant vaccinated my wheelie bin and made rubbish collection delayed for TWO WEEKS!".
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
If you add up people who are moaning about the vaccine being dangerous (it isn't), plus the people moaning that the vaccine could easily and safely be administered by the untrained postman (it really shouldn't be). Then you get an awful lot of moaning fvckers.
2 days training? Big deal, that sounds like 2 (more) days delay to me. Just do it and get on with it.
If its widely distributed by people with minimal training there will inevitably be more fuck ups. Probably not on a grand scale, but enough that certain elements of the press will have a field day.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:45 pm
If you add up people who are moaning about the vaccine being dangerous (it isn't), plus the people moaning that the vaccine could easily and safely be administered by the untrained postman (it really shouldn't be). Then you get an awful lot of moaning fvckers.
2 days training? Big deal, that sounds like 2 (more) days delay to me. Just do it and get on with it.
The training at my trust is 4.5 hours - took me less (I'm up to date with resus and radicalisation etc)
If it's someone outside the job is going to do it then the prob seems to be access to the training according to retired non working nurses .
DefTrap wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:45 pm
If you add up people who are moaning about the vaccine being dangerous (it isn't), plus the people moaning that the vaccine could easily and safely be administered by the untrained postman (it really shouldn't be). Then you get an awful lot of moaning fvckers.
2 days training? Big deal, that sounds like 2 (more) days delay to me. Just do it and get on with it.
The training at my trust is 4.5 hours - took me less (I'm up to date with resus and radicalisation etc)
If it's someone outside the job is going to do it then the prob seems to be access to the training according to retired non working nurses .
I thought you were a paramedic, did you really need 4.5 hours extra training to give an injection?
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:27 pm
Much as this training/paperwork issue winds me up, I understand why they do it. I can already see the Daily Mail headlines...
"Child molesting muslamic immigrant vaccinated my wheelie bin and made rubbish collection delayed for TWO WEEKS!".
Just needed to mention Diana and Madeline McCann and it would have been a full house.
