Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:14 pm
Horse wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:28 pm
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:16 pm
Because I'd like to know whether I'm having a discussion with a true believer or somebody playing Devil's advocate.
Well, you should have included that qualifier in the original post.
But you didn't, you asked for evidence. You just don't like the answer, so are attempting to make it about me instead, rather than acknowledge that there are brain scans that support something you dislike / disbelieve / ridicule.
Using the "Devil's Advocate" idea is irrelevant. There's evidence, accept it or challenge it.
Yes, you presented evidence. Is the evidence convincing enough that you believe it? You appear to be an intelligent person so if you believe it, I might be convinced by it as well. So, do you believe it?
And my other three questions remain unanswered:
Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman if he says he's a woman?
Do you believe I have a full head of hair and I'm not a bald man in a wig if I say I have a full head of hair?
And if you believe one but not the other, why?
I'm not sure why you keep dodging them, they should be pretty easy to answer.
When I started biking, it was usual for bikes to have a number on the side panel. My bikes were 175, 400, 500, you knew what size engine the bike had. But some bikes were identical apart from their cc. - 250 & 400, for example. The only way to guarantee knowing its engine size would be an internal check.
The external signs are a guide, a technical check for evidence.
So, instead of your wig example, let's imagine you're claiming that, despite having external male genitalia, your brain tells you that you're female. And you want me, and everyone else, to take you seriously.
How are you supporting your claim? Are you taking actions that support that claim, or does it appear to be a whim or something nefarious. If you're going to the lengths of undertaking surgery, you're unlikely to be making the claim just to access changing rooms
Luckily, there is an opportunity to be tested.
That first test shows you to be autistic. It is known that many autistic people (or people with autism, depending on how they wish to be described) also have associated gender identity issues.
That makes your claim far more likely to be real rather than a lie.
Very recently, extra testing using brain scans has demonstrated differences in brain structure.
That could also make your claim more viable.
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:16 pm
Because I'd like to know whether I'm having a discussion with a true believer or somebody playing Devil's advocate.
Yes, I've been getting results from Google. Obviously of research you were unaware of, which answered your challenge. So, instead of acknowledging that and thinking of whether you should reconsider, you chose to throw stupid questions at me.
But here's a thought, a question for you: if you'd used Google (or DuckDuckDuckGo, whatever), would you have prefaced your search by asking whether the search engine was a true believer?
- You asked
- You got an answer, evidence
- You can't accept because it means that those people you ridicule might actually be right
